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Doesn't everyone know that already ? It was exposed centuries ago.
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Doesn't everyone know that already ? It was exposed centuries ago.Purgatory is and was a great way to generate money.
You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding.In a way, that's true. However, Purgatory is more than that. According to the teaching about Purgatory, you also have to pay for sins already forgiven, just because you committed them in the first place.
Everyone who has ever committed a mortal sin goes to Purgatory (in theory) unless it has never been repented of and forgiven. In that case, it's Hell, not Purgatory.
So... Jesus says he forgives you... but not really... because He first wants to see you suffer for what you did, before He'll accept you into His presence...?Because without Christ you get Hell, not Purgatory.
Everyone who has ever committed a mortal sin goes to Purgatory (in theory) unless it has never been repented of and forgiven. In that case, it's Hell, not Purgatory.
As written in Scripture,
He who IS IN CHRIST purifies himself, for CHRIST is PURE.
After a person dies,
he does nothing - it is already finished - either he is condemned,
resurrected as the BIBLE says on the appointed day to judgment and shame,
or he is raised to life in CHRIST JESUS as appointed.
All the stories about 'cleaning up sin' after dieing
are completely and utterly from pagan religions
and directly contrary to all SCRIPTURE.
That's right. That's the theory of Purgatory. If you are a committed believer in Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are forgiven your sins. BUT the theory says that you still have to be punished (they prefer to say "purged") meaning cleaned up of the stain of sin from having committed the sins in the first place and perfected, even though the eternal consequences of sin (Hell) are remitted through faith and a life of good works.You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding.
Let me get this straight.
Believers in purgatory believe that they will have to go and pay for all their sins by suffering in purgatory (for who knows how long?) even though Jesus already paid it all, on the Cross?
Agreed!
Staying in the Bible keeps us from confusion, and idolatry.
Amen!
Good question.So... Jesus says he forgives you... but not really... because He first wants to see you suffer for what you did, before He'll accept you into His presence...?
What kind of forgiveness is that?
No purgatory for me, im going straight to heaven.
Doesn't everyone know that already ? It was exposed centuries ago.
So how much money does it take to save my loved ones from purgatory?
One could almost say that purgatory is the Catholic version of Once Saved, Always Saved.
You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding.
Let me get this straight.
Believers in purgatory believe that they will have to go and pay for all their sins by suffering in purgatory (for who knows how long?) even though Jesus already paid it all, on the Cross?
So, what good is the Cross, then?
Seems to me this doctrine makes the cross of Christ of none effect.
If we expect to become perfect by doing something ourselves (even suffering in purgatory) then Christ is become of no effect to us. We are fallen from Grace! Galatians 5:4
One could say that but it would be horrible doctrine. The two are not related. Once saved always saved is saying salvation can not be lost. Purgatory nullifies salvation entirely.
Once saved - always saved was made up by Protestant Reformers sick of the corruptions of the Roman Church (and with good reason).
Most of the pagan ideas, in fact all of the pagan ideas,That idea was invented
I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
Once saved - always saved was made up by Protestant Reformers sick of the corruptions of the Roman Church (and with good reason). But it is false and based on a false premise - that of a legal declaration of "not guilty" in heaven.
Purgation after death does not mean that you "lose your salvation." It simply means that you are being purged of your remaining sinful nature and made to be like Christ. Sorry you are so confused on this, but given Roman confusion on this matter, that is not surprising.
Do you believe calling Christians saints or priests is redundant?
I believe in the world church it is sinful, contrary to all SCRIPTURE.
In the body of CHRIST, we are all called saints every day, over and over and over again IN SCRIPTURE.
And priests, all of us in CHRIST. (not man-made opposed to JESUS).
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