Punishing Drumpf for Abortions

[Veritas]

So, the wearer of the presidential toupee said women should be punished for having an abortion, if abortions were illegal and every liberal died of bleeding heart syndrome.

Then some one informed him that's not real heart condition and he quickly backtracked saying he thought pregnant women and abortion providers were the same thing.

So, should we punish the "harlots" of America, and if so, how badly?

Go listen to the entire interview first before posting drivel. One thing I've learned: don't take the anti-Trump media's word for anything he supposedly says. Imagine the media being this hard on Obama when he was running for POTUS. You can't , can you?

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Go listen to the entire interview first before posting drivel. One thing I've learned: don't take the anti-Trump media's word for anything he supposedly says. Imagine the media being this hard on Obama when he was running for POTUS. You can't , can you?

I've heard all the clips.

That wasn't drivel, it was cynical yet accurate levity.

 

[HannahT]

While many of your points are certainly valid, I'm sure we as a society are able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Suggesting that since we fail at certain aspects means we should somehow excuse or ignore abortion is not really a legit stance IMO. I'm not sure what the sentencing would be, but if abortion is a crime, then it should be punishable as such. What's the point in laws if there are no penalties for violating them?

I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. You railed against people that have these abortions, and come out with this 25 years to life jazz. You are NOT taking into account many of the variables in these individual lifes, but just basically threw out a bunch of assumptions instead. That's not the proper way of dealing with anything. Period.

I can certainly see a fine or what have you. It would depend on the circumstances, and you might be surprised that is far from the 'selfish' assumption that you cling too. Is it to hard to look at the dynamics before condemning them as harlots?

Seriously, if you feel society can walk and chew gum at the same time? You need to do so. So far all you have done is walk, and you haven't chewed on much at all as far as expanding to other aspects of this issue.

It would be nice if life was a tidy and clean little box...and we could tie it up in a bow, and put in on the shelve to look nice and pretty. It certainly is not, and it will never be that way either.

My point was if we are going to say we are all gun ho on life? We need to show it in all areas. We leave to many in pain, marinating in helplessness, and pretty much abandon them. They are to dirty and complicated to deal with.

It's rather hypocritical, and judgmental to throw stones at others with opinions that most of the time we can't back up....then cling to what we FEEL is truth. People say all life is precious. They certainly don't act like it. That fact could also factor into this issue with dynamics of the person's life. So maybe society can't walk and chew gum at the same time. We seem to be good at words and opinions, but our actions? They aren't there. They just aren't.

This issue is as ugly and complicated as many others are. Boxing people in isn't the answer.

 

[JusticeIsBlind]

I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. You railed against people that have these abortions, and come out with this 25 years to life jazz. You are NOT taking into account many of the variables in these individual lifes, but just basically threw out a bunch of assumptions instead. That's not the proper way of dealing with anything. Period.

I can certainly see a fine or what have you. It would depend on the circumstances, and you might be surprised that is far from the 'selfish' assumption that you cling too. Is it to hard to look at the dynamics before condemning them as harlots?

Seriously, if you feel society can walk and chew gum at the same time? You need to do so. So far all you have done is walk, and you haven't chewed on much at all as far as expanding to other aspects of this issue.

It would be nice if life was a tidy and clean little box...and we could tie it up in a bow, and put in on the shelve to look nice and pretty. It certainly is not, and it will never be that way either.

My point was if we are going to say we are all gun ho on life? We need to show it in all areas. We leave to many in pain, marinating in helplessness, and pretty much abandon them. They are to dirty and complicated to deal with.

It's rather hypocritical, and judgmental to throw stones at others with opinions that most of the time we can't back up....then cling to what we FEEL is truth. People say all life is precious. They certainly don't act like it. That fact could also factor into this issue with dynamics of the person's life. So maybe society can't walk and chew gum at the same time. We seem to be good at words and opinions, but our actions? They aren't there. They just aren't.

This issue is as ugly and complicated as many others are. Boxing people in isn't the answer.

A fine? For murder? We're not double parking a car here. If that's the view, let's just leave abortion legal then. If there are no punishments for murdering a child, why pretend anything but pro-choice should reign? Funny how if I kill a pregnant woman I'm charged for her murder and the murder of the unborn child but a woman willfully (assuming abortion was illegal) killing her child, should be paying a fine instead? The hypocrisy and utter ridiculousness of such a position doesn't deserve further debate and certainly does highlight why pro-lifers continue to fail to make any progress. It's all just hot air. Both sides are really pro-choice, it's just one group thinks government should at least make a little side money off it.

 

[HannahT]

A fine? For murder? We're not double parking a car here. If that's the view, let's just leave abortion legal then. If there are no punishments for murdering a child, why pretend anything but pro-choice should reign. Funny how if I kill a pregnant woman I'm charged for her murder and the murder of the unborn child but a woman willfully (assuming abortion was illegal) killing her child, should be paying a fine instead? The hypocrisy and utter ridiculousness of such a position doesn't deserve further debate and certainly does highlight why pro-lifers continue to fail to make any progress. It's all just hot air. Both sides are really pro-choice, it's just one group thinks government should at least make some side money off it.

Is that all you read? Apparently.

Go ahead and minimize the dynamics I guess - no doubt it makes you feel better doing so.

 

[JusticeIsBlind]

Is that all you read? Apparently.

Go ahead and minimize the dynamics I guess - no doubt it makes you feel better doing so.

If something is illegal, there are no dynamics. Exceptions maybe (rape, incest, LoM, which would be part of law, but dynamics are irrelevant. I don't care what a woman is going through. In this context it's illegal. You murder a child, you go to prison. If that is not the position of pro-lifers, then they are wasting everyone's time with a toothless movement. In which case, I say let Roe v Wade stand.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

How would you determine accidents from intentional behavior designed to induce abortion?

 

[JusticeIsBlind]

How would you determine accidents from intentional behavior designed to induce abortion?

Good police work. Just as you would in the investigation of any homicide.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Good police work. Just as you would in the investigation of any homicide.

Good police work has put hundreds of innocent people behind bars for decades. You would risk putting thousands of innocent women behind bars over police involvement over every miscarage. Tend of thousands every year. Time spent not solving actual crimes like real murders and rapes and gang violence.

Also, in practical application, how do the police even find out? You're obgyn ratting you out, violating HIPPA? Would you have to register your pregnancy with the government?

 

[Sketcher]

It seems that ordering an abortion (outside of a medical need for it) would be akin to murder-for-hire. Sentencing might be along those lines.

 

[JusticeIsBlind]

Good police work has put hundreds of innocent people behind bars for decades. You would risk putting thousands of innocent women behind bars over police involvement over every miscarage. Tend of thousands every year. Time spent not solving actual crimes like real murders and rapes and gang violence.

Also, in practical application, how do the police even find out? You're obgyn ratting you out, violating HIPPA? Would you have to register your pregnancy with the government?

You've really answered your own question. Innocent people go to jail for murder all the time. Just as guilt people get away with murder all the time. Yet, we don't make murder a fineable offense because of it. My point is this: If you're not going to place real consequences on abortion, then there's no point in outlawing it. You just force women into a much more dangerous situation with back alley abortions. So, might as well be legal so they can have them done properly and safely. There really is no grey area with this. It's either a crime or it isn't.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

I applaud your honesty and will use your posts as good reason to never outlaw abortion.