Idaho GOP candidate: Death penalty for women would discourage abortion

[TLK Valentine]

Punishing women with the death penalty would cut abortions, Idaho candidate says


In all fairness, he walked it back the next day... wouldn't want people to think the GOP was misogynistic or anything...

A Republican lieutenant governor candidate on Tuesday softened his stance that women who get an abortion should be punished if it is ever criminalized in Idaho, a day after saying the punishment should include the death penalty.

“Prosecutions have always been focused on the abortionist,” said Bob Nonini in a statement. “There is no way a woman would go to jail let alone face the death penalty. The statute alone, the threat of prosecution, would dramatically reduce abortion. That is my goal.”

Nonini first raised eyebrows on the divisive social issue during a Monday candidate forum in Moscow hosted by the conservative Christian podcast CrossPolitic.

“There should be no abortion and anyone who has an abortion should pay,” Nonini said.

Thoughts?

 

[Desk trauma]

Thoughts?

I look forward to people like this getting their wish about Roe being overturned and watching the red states try to out do each other about who can be harsher on abortion.

Take into consideration I may have just given up and want to see how absurd this thing will get.

 

[dzheremi]

So let me get this straight: You are against abortion because it kills a life, so to stop it you would kill women for having abortions.

Now I'm not a big city lawyer, but it seems to me that the baby's death is one murder, and the mother's death another, making for a total of two murders. Whereas if the woman has an abortion and is not murdered later for it, that is a total of one murder.

Are there not more deaths or potential deaths under this plan, then? Or do numbers work differently in Idaho? I was just in the panhandle last month visiting family, and it seems like 2 was still bigger than 1 when I was there. Maybe GOP extremist math works differently than non-partisan math.

I don't think I trust a man who doesn't know how numbers work to run the country at any level.

 

[Chesterton]

Thoughts?

Can you provide a link to where he said punishment should include the death penalty?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Punishing women with the death penalty would cut abortions, Idaho candidate says


In all fairness, he walked it back the next day... wouldn't want people to think the GOP was misogynistic or anything...




Thoughts?

Generalizing from a very unique particular.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Can you provide a link to where he said punishment should include the death penalty?

It's literally in the article:

Nonini first raised eyebrows on the divisive social issue during a Monday candidate forum in Moscow hosted by the conservative Christian podcast CrossPolitic.

“There should be no abortion and anyone who has an abortion should pay,” Nonini said.

Pressed by moderators on the nature of the punishment, Nonini nodded in agreement when asked if he supported the death penalty as a possible outcome for abortion.

Nonini, a three term state senator from Coeur d’Alene, confirmed that position in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

 

[Desk trauma]

So let me get this straight: You are against abortion because it kills a life, so to stop it you would kill women for having abortions.

Now I'm not a big city lawyer, but it seems to me that the baby's death is one murder, and the mother's death another, making for a total of two murders. Whereas if the woman has an abortion and is not murdered later for it, that is a total of one murder.

Are there not more deaths or potential deaths under this plan, then? Or do numbers work differently in Idaho? I was just in the panhandle last month visiting family, and it seems like 2 was still bigger than 1 when I was there. Maybe GOP extremist math works differently than non-partisan math.

I don't think I trust a man who doesn't know how numbers work to run the country at any level.

The thing that I would be most curious about would be enforcement of these laws. Will pregnancies be tracked? Will pregnant women be allowed to leave the state for areas where abortion is legal? Will miscarriages result in criminal investigations? Would women be punished upon return to the state after having a legal abortion out of state?

 

[USincognito]

Thoughts?

Typical "tolerant" leftist intolerant of a Conservative daring to have an opinion.

 

[grasping the after wind]

The thing that I would be most curious about would be enforcement of these laws. Will pregnancies be tracked? Will pregnant women be allowed to leave the state for areas where abortion is legal? Will miscarriages result in criminal investigations? Would women be punished upon return to the state after having a legal abortion out of state?

Does not really matter as no a such law will ever be passed. Nor, in the unlikely event a state legislature collectively lost its mind, would the law be allowed to stand.

 

[USincognito]

Can you provide a link to where he said punishment should include the death penalty?

He did.

>> "Prosecutions have always been focused on the abortionist,” said Bob Nonini in a statement. “There is no way a woman would go to jail let alone face the death penalty. The statute alone, the threat of prosecution, would dramatically..."

 

[dqhall]

Punishing women with the death penalty would cut abortions, Idaho candidate says


In all fairness, he walked it back the next day... wouldn't want people to think the GOP was misogynistic or anything...




Thoughts?

A lady I met told me her husband and her conceived and the fetus in her womb had vital organs outside of the body instead of in the chest cavity. They already had numerous children. She decided on an abortion. They had to leave the Catholic Church and went to a Protestant denomination church. I would not want the death penalty on her as she was a celibate widow with young children at home.

 

[dzheremi]

Typical "tolerant" leftist intolerant of a Conservative daring to have an opinion.

It's fine to have an opinion. I'm pro-life, too. I just don't want to get all murder-y about it, because that kinda defeats the purpose.

This guy's opinion is pretty extreme, and I'm glad it's just GOP virtue signaling, not anything that will actually be happening.

 

[Desk trauma]

Does not really matter as no a such law will ever be passed. Nor, in the unlikely event a state legislature collectively lost its mind, would the law be allowed to stand.

It's still just a thought experiment but I look forward to them getting their chance if Roe is ever overturned. Granted I take a great deal of pleasure of people being hoisted by their own petards.

 

[grasping the after wind]

It's still just a thought experiment but I look forward to them getting their chance if Roe is ever overturned. Granted I take a great deal of pleasure of people being hoisted by their own petards.

Being a Christian kind of makes Schadenfreude off limits for me. Or at least it should. Can't really be trying to love one's neighbor while getting pleasure from the neighbor getting hoisted. I suppose that is one of the perks of being an atheist. You get to enjoy many things forbidden to the religious community. .

 

[USincognito]

It's fine to have an opinion. I'm pro-life, too. I just don't want to get all murder-y about it, because that kinda defeats the purpose.

This guy's opinion is pretty extreme, and I'm glad it's just GOP virtue signaling, not anything that will actually be happening.

I should have included a . I was joking with TLK.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Well that's right. It would. But we shouldn't do that. And we shouldn't kill babies either.

If RvW gets overturned and women have illegal abortions, well that's murder, and sometimes you get the death penalty for that. Sooooo

 

[USincognito]

Being a Christian kind of makes Schadenfreude off limits for me. Or at least it should. Can't really be trying to love one's neighbor while getting pleasure from the neighbor getting hoisted. I suppose that is one of the perks of being an atheist. You get to enjoy many things forbidden to the religious community. .

LOL Modern Conservatism, especially Christian political Conservatism is driven schadenfreude. "This will make liberal heads explode", "liberal tears" "{obscenity} your feelings" are common parlance for pundits and lay Conservatives alike.

 

[High Fidelity]

Maybe it's him that needs the needle.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Well that's right. It would. But we shouldn't do that. And we shouldn't kill babies either.

If RvW gets overturned and women have illegal abortions, well that's murder, and sometimes you get the death penalty for that. Sooooo

Right now, if R v W was overturned abortion would not be illegal in the US. It would take new law to criminalize abortion. Abortion was never a federal crime. Since most states, if not all , no longer have any anti abortion statues on the books, It would take a lot to introduce a criminal statute against abortion. Int eh end it is not likely the that R vW will ever be overturned.

 

[Chesterton]

It's literally in the article:

There's no literal head nod to a literal question in the article. I'd just like to see and hear it for myself.

He did.

>> "Prosecutions have always been focused on the abortionist,” said Bob Nonini in a statement. “There is no way a woman would go to jail let alone face the death penalty. The statute alone, the threat of prosecution, would dramatically..."

That's not saying what you're saying it's saying.