proving evolution as just a "theory"

[rjs330]

It's not a denial of anything. It's an unwillingness to abandon a well-supported interpretation of the biblical account in favor of literalism. Once you take that position, no "explaining away" is required.

Yes it is. There is no well supported interpretation. There is no need for interpretation at all. It says what it says. The only need is to change what is written. The only need to interpret it differently is if it makes no sense like if it says God is a door or some obvious metaphore. If God said he did it in six days then there is no need to say he didn't. It is far more supported that the Genesis account is accurate.

 

[rjs330]

Then perhaps you can present a DNA analysis which demonstrates this?

Can you show evidence that we had feathers. Shared genes do nothing unless all the genes line up. They don't, we don't have feathers and there is no evidence that we ever did. Similarities do not mean evolution is accurate. It shows there is a common design and that God used common designs in his creation.

 

[rjs330]

We observe creatures sharing common ancestors. For example, siblings share the same parents and cousins share the same grandparents. We don't observe creatures being designed by some "creator" and we don't observe any kind of "creator" being. Science supports what we observe. We observe common ancestry occurring all the time. We never observe creation. Therefore science supports common ancestry and not creation.

Oh good grief we are not talking about common ancestors of humans being humans. We are talking about common ancestors of ours being the spider. Big difference.

 

[Speedwell]

Yes it is. There is no well supported interpretation. There is no need for interpretation at all. It says what it says. The only need is to change what is written. The only need to interpret it differently is if it makes no sense like if it says God is a door or some obvious metaphore. If God said he did it in six days then there is no need to say he didn't. It is far more supported that the Genesis account is accurate.

Right. You have your own internally self-consistent view of it, with what you consider to be convincing apologetic support. So do I. The diifference is, I am willing to allow you yours, on the basis that we both seem to draw basically the same doctrine from our respective views.

 

[rjs330]

Right. You have your own internally self-consistent view of it, with what you consider to be convincing apologetic support. So do I. The diifference is, I am willing to allow you yours, on the basis that we both seem to draw basically the same doctrine from our respective views.

I allow you yours as well. You are more than welcome to your belief no matter how wrong it is.

 

[rjs330]

We observe creatures sharing common ancestors. For example, siblings share the same parents and cousins share the same grandparents. We don't observe creatures being designed by some "creator" and we don't observe any kind of "creator" being. Science supports what we observe. We observe common ancestry occurring all the time. We never observe creation. Therefore science supports common ancestry and not creation.

We don't observe evolution from a common ancestor either but that doesn't stop you from from believing that.

 

[Gene2memE]

Oh good grief we are not talking about common ancestors of humans being humans. We are talking about common ancestors of ours being the spider. Big difference.

I don't think anyone is talking about humans and spiders sharing a common ancestor, bar you.

Out of my own personal interest, I did attempt to track down our nearest common ancestor. To do that, it looks like you need to go all the way back to the very early Cambrian, to the split between vertebrates (our ancestral lineage - things with spinal columns) and arthropods (spiders' ancestral linage - things with exoskeletons and segmented bodies). Long story short - it's somewhere in the region of 530 million years plus.

Which is really cool.

 

[pitabread]

Oh good grief we are not talking about common ancestors of humans being humans. We are talking about common ancestors of ours being the spider. Big difference.

Not at all. It's the exact same process at work, just over millions of generations instead of over a handful.

This is where I think the biggest challenge for creationists tends to be conceptual; with a recursive process like evolution, small changes over time can add up to big changes. But it's hard to conceptualize that when our frame of reference is so short.

 

[Speedwell]

I allow you yours as well. You are more than welcome to your belief no matter how wrong it is.

Likewise, I'm sure. But you know why I am on this forum--many of those who believe as you do about the Bible are not so charitable.

 

[Aman777]

Are you a disinformation agent?

No, I post God's Truth which is the Truth in every way and watch as atheists agnostics and phonies try to prove His Holy Word wrong. I've been watching for many years and you, nor any other person, has EVER refuted His Truth. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

It’s true the first signs of civilization are dated around then; this is already known. It does not follow that because the earliest human remains found predate the earliest known civilization we did not evolve from a common ancestor with apes. That’s a complete non sequitur. Nonetheless, anotomically modern humans first showed up no later than 300,000 years ago.

The sons of God were "Their" kind, the kind The Trinity created from water on the 5th Day, which was some 3.8 Billion years ago in man's time. Gen 1:21 Humans, were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the last universal common ancestor appeared in the water of our Earth. Gen 2:4-7 Humans were made to live forever and had a Shekinah Glory or brightness like that of Jesus. Humans are "His" kind or the kind which Jesus made with His own Hands.

Humans (His kind) arrived on our Earth 11k years ago Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE and Noah's grandsons produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) (Their kind). Gen 10:10 This fulfilled the prophecy of Gen 6:4 which tells us the SAME thing happened on Adam's Earth since Cain had NO other Humans to marry. The prophecy is found in the "and also after that".

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Sex is the only way to change one's intelligence. You either inherit the superior intelligence of Adam or you do NOT. The ToE is the biggest Satanic Lie ever forced upon innocent children. Such blasphemy is evidence that we are truly living in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[Hieronymus]

The answer is obvious - the same answer that there is for all creationists - prior commitment to accepting bible tales no matter what.

An assumption based on nothing substantial.
Also not the right answer.

 

[Hieronymus]

I am always amazed at how just about every creationist one encounters on an internet forum is the ultimate authority on every field of science there is, regardless of their actual background.

Don't get me started on what amazes me, pal.

 

[Hieronymus]

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[Hieronymus]

The sons of God were "Their" kind, the kind The Trinity created from water on the 5th Day, which was some 3.8 Billion years ago in man's time. Gen 1:21 Humans, were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the last universal common ancestor appeared in the water of our Earth. Gen 2:4-7 Humans were made to live forever and had a Shekinah Glory or brightness like that of Jesus. Humans are "His" kind or the kind which Jesus made with His own Hands.

Humans (His kind) arrived on our Earth 11k years ago Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE and Noah's grandsons produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) (Their kind). Gen 10:10 This fulfilled the prophecy of Gen 6:4 which tells us the SAME thing happened on Adam's Earth since Cain had NO other Humans to marry. The prophecy is found in the "and also after that".

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Sex is the only way to change one's intelligence. You either inherit the superior intelligence of Adam or you do NOT. The ToE is the biggest Satanic Lie ever forced upon innocent children. Such blasphemy is evidence that we are truly living in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

Sorry, but those sons of God were not humans.
Why do you think God's people were sent to wipe out all the giants up until the last ones from Gad?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Can you show evidence that we had feathers. Shared genes do nothing unless all the genes line up.

Ha, what? Due to the fact that the lineage of birds split from that of mammals before the trait of feathers existed, it would make absolutely no sense for humans to have genes specific to feather production.

They don't, we don't have feathers and there is no evidence that we ever did. Similarities do not mean evolution is accurate. It shows there is a common design and that God used common designs in his creation.

Tell me who told you the theory of evolution suggested humans had ever had feathers. Tell me so I can smack them with a rotten tuna for acting as an authority on stuff they know nothing about.

 

[Gene2memE]

Sorry, but those sons of God were not humans.

How do you differentiate?

How do you tell the difference between a 12,000 year old 'Son of God' and an 11,000 year old 'human'?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sorry, but those sons of God were not humans.
Why do you think God's people were sent to wipe out all the giants up until the last ones from Gad?

-_- fyi, Aman777 would agree with you on this... well, the idea that the "sons of god" aren't human, that is.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, I post God's Truth which is the Truth in every way and watch as atheists agnostics and phonies try to prove His Holy Word wrong. I've been watching for many years and you, nor any other person, has EVER refuted His Truth. Amen?

I have long since given up on refuting your "truth". I more seek to establish internal consistency within your bible interpretation, because a story that confuses itself is much, much harder to remember and tell other people about.

Though, I am running an evolution experiment of my own for all the creationists on here, so feel free to participate, my friend

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

how many living things do we see naturally occuring?

we pretty much see all living things (with very few exceptions) naturally occurring, yet none require an intelligent designer. Cars though, we've never seen them naturally occur. All examples have come about due to an intelligent designer and none have come about naturally. In fact, until we designed and built them, cars weren't even a thing.