proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Shemjaza]

@Shemjaza your avatar name is the exact name of.....

Samyaza (Aramaic: שמיחזה‎‎, Greek: Σεμιαζά), also Semihazah, Shemyazaz, Shemyaza, Sêmîazâz, Semjâzâ, Samjâzâ, Semyaza, and Shemhazai, is a fallen angel of apocryphal Jewish and Christian tradition that ranked in the heavenly hierarchy as one of the Watchers. The name "Shemyaza(z)" means "the (or my) name has seen" or "he sees the name".

Samyaza - Wikipedia

If your belief system is Atheism, then why do you use an avatar name that is of a fallen angel?

Is that your actual name?

I liked the story, I don't believe it's real.

The Book of Enoch greatly expands on a seemingly brief comments in Genesis about Enoch, Sons of God and the Nephilim.

Shemjaza (even more so then most stories of rebel angels of Christian and Jewish tradition) is remarkably foolhardy and incompetent about defying his creator.

Probably got it from D&D, or one of those other type games.

Tarot cards or something.

Horror novel originally actually.

But a roleplaying game did get me back into reading the Bible as a teenager.

 

[xianghua]

Existing extant species don't evolve into other existing extant species.

so why you said that : " Nature is full of examples"?

Do you think that watches and weather systems are the same thing?

as far as i remember you are the one who make a comparision between a spinning motor and a weather system.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Existing extant species don't evolve into other existing extant species. That's not how evolution works. You've been here long enough to already know this,so you really have no excuse.

And yet you claim that the then existing extant species (of which no examples exist - conveniently) evolved into both the then existing extant human and chimpanzee species. I sense a contradiction occurring. Ahh, I see, only when the existing species dies out and cant be found to have ever existed, does it evolve into a new species. I might buy your assumption if you could point me to even one of these common ancestors that split to become new species?

Now if you wanted to claim that fossil A mated with fossil B and created fossil C, according to every single observation we have observed of propagation....... But that isnt what you are proposing. You propose nothing ever once observed..... You know, Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. But when Asian mates with African we get Afro-Asian. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff Mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. But when Husky mates with Mastiff we get the Chinook. I'd suggest your one evolving into another is based upon ignoring the other half of the equation......

Do you think that watches and weather systems are the same thing?

Are you saying weather systems show evidence of design? Of course not, but then that's why the weather is so unpredictable and the universe can have laws written to describe it. Yet a law written about the weather - a true random occurrence, would be invalid from one day to the next.

 

[bhsmte]

They EXACTLY Evolve from a molecule... DNA is a Molecule! Cars don't grow, they're manufactured. but Sure, Show me a car that grows from a strand of DNA.

I had a buick that did that.

 

[tas8831]

According to biologists 50 mutations occur at every birth. But guess what. Those Asian allies and DNA still remain Asian.

What is an Asian allie?

But then that's why you avoided discussing Finches after giving your definition of species......

I don't recall being asked about Finches.

But then I didn't expect a serious reply to my post since none of you can present a defense against empirical evidence, except ignore it.

I've presented empirical evidence on many occasions and it has been 100% ignored each time.

Your uninformed posts do not contain empirical evidence, they contain the naivete of one that lacks sufficient skill to understand his limits.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I am running out of different ways to phrase this. My point isn’t to prove evolution, it’s to compare the explanatory power of evolution vs. creationism. Think of it this way: you see a flattened raccoon in the middle of the road. Was it a car that flattened it, or was it a coon-flattening goon? There’s no way to know for sure, but because we’ve never seen a coon-flattening goon and we HAVE seen cars on the road, a car is a better explanation for the flattened raccoon. Get it?

Lets use that. We have seen Asian mate with Asian and produce only Asian. African mate with African and produce only African. And when Asian mates with African we get the Afro-Asian.

We have seen Husky mate with Husky and produce only Husky. Mastiff mate with Mastiff and produce only mastiff. And yet when the Husky mates with the Mastiff we see the new form of the Chinook. So why would you propose something never observed to explain the variation when the variation is explained by what we have observed?????

 

[tas8831]

Can you show evidence that we had feathers.

How could I show evidence for your strawman fallacy?

Shared genes do nothing unless all the genes line up.

All the genes. OK...

They don't, we don't have feathers and there is no evidence that we ever did. Similarities do not mean evolution is accurate. It shows there is a common design and that God used common designs in his creation.

So why did God give us feathers? (using your logic back at you)

You know, you could have just admitted that you lack the ability to support your assertions.

That would have been more honest.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

What is an Asian allie?

Your the one that claimed changes to those alleles is what causes the changes in everything. What, dont believe your own hype?

I don't recall being asked about Finches.

Consider yourself asked. Not that youll make any stance one way or the other, based upon the actual data. Instead you'll obfuscate.

I've presented empirical evidence on many occasions and it has been 100% ignored each time.

Your uninformed posts do not contain empirical evidence, they contain the naivete of one that lacks sufficient skill to understand his limits.

If observing Asian mate with Asian and producing only Asian, African mating with African producing only African and only when Asian and African mate is there a change isn't empirical evidence, then your idea of what is evidence surely differs from mine. If observing Husky mate with Husky and producing only Husky, Mastiff with Mastiif producing only Mastiff, and only when we observe Husky mate with Mastiff and produce the Chinook does a new form occur, isnt empirical evidence.......

Ahh, yours is those non-existent common ancestors that one and all is conveniently missing. How, ummm, convenient.... My bad, yours is 50+ mutations at every birth, that changes the Asian race into? Asian..... Your mutations can't even get past race, let alone change species. At least my observational empirical evidence can change across racial borders.... You would think an evolutionists would use the empirical data to at least try to validate their theory. Better odds a new species from a change that goes from Husky and Mastiff to Chinook, then Husky to Husky and Mastiff to Mastiff.... But hey, its your fantasy theory.....

I might even buy species change if you based it on the facts of propagation instead of fantasy of one becoming another....

 

[tas8831]

Don't get me started on what amazes me, pal.

So, you accept what I wrote as valid.

Got it.

 

[tas8831]

An assumption based on nothing substantial.

It is a conclusion based on my recent experiences on this forum (and elsewhere).

Also not the right answer.

I've seen little to counter it.

 

[Hieronymus]

So, you accept what I wrote as valid.

Got it.

Don't believe everything you think.

 

[tas8831]

We don't observe evolution from a common ancestor either but that doesn't stop you from from believing that.

I provided several pieces of evidence for this here:

proving evolution as just a "theory"

You ignored it then. And you will ignore it now (or dismiss it for no good reason). So why the pretense?

 

[tas8831]

Don't believe everything you think.

I accept the conclusions I draw.

You give me no reason to conclude otherwise.

 

[pitabread]

so why you said that : " Nature is full of examples"?

Because we do see species evolving including the evolution of new species in nature.

as far as i remember you are the one who make a comparision between a spinning motor and a weather system.

I didn't make any such comparison. I merely pointed out that complexity alone is not evidence for design using weather systems as an example.

 

[tas8831]

Your [sic] the one that claimed changes to those alleles is what causes the changes in everything. What, dont believe your own hype?

I have never used the word "allies" except when quoting you.

Consider yourself asked. Not that youll make any stance one way or the other, based upon the actual data. Instead you'll obfuscate.

what data did you have in mind?

All I ever see from you are copy-pasted assertions - like below.

Show me some actual data and I will comment on it.

SNIP REPETITIVE COPY PASTE

I might even buy species change if you based it on the facts of propagation instead of fantasy of one becoming another....

Are you saying that you do not 'believe' in species change?

Congratulations, evolution-killer, you just make your ark-myth 100% implausible.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I provided several pieces of evidence for this here:

proving evolution as just a "theory"

You ignored it then. And you will ignore it now (or dismiss it for no good reason). So why the pretense?

Mice staying mice.... Oh yes, definite proof of species evolving into other species. I am astounded I missed such conclusive proof of species evolving into other species....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I have never used the word "allies" except when quoting you.


what data did you have in mind?

All I ever see from you are copy-pasted assertions - like below.

Show me some actual data and I will comment on it.

Are you claiming to be unaware of the fact that finch DNA was tested and every one was found to have been interbreeding after arriving on the islands? Dont you know what occurrs within the scientific community?

Are you saying that you do not 'believe' in species change?

You have yet to show any examples except incorrect classifications. All those finches are interbreeding. Tigers mate with Lions, hasnt kept them from keeping them classified incorrectly. Grizzlies produce offspring with polar bears. same incorrect classification.

Congratulations, evolution-killer, you just make your ark-myth 100% implausible.

You've killed your own theory by refusing to accept the observational data....

Don't know why the facts would lead you to that conclusion. Over 100 breeds of canine have occurred from wolves. It's you that needs new species to develop where they didn't exist before. I fully accept new subspecies within the species arise by mating. The Chinook is direct empirical evidence, as is the Afro-Asian.

But notice all humans are one species, as are all canines. Variation within the species does indeed occur, but Kind will always propagate Kind, regardless of the variation capable within that Kind. And the Chinook and Afro-Asian did not occur because of any evolution...... That variation within the Kind required not one shred of evolutionary theory to be valid....

 

[HitchSlap]

Hey slap

It is true people taught me the formula. The way to reach God.

Does this go both ways and you learnt disbelief from others?

In relation to your disbelief in God. Could i say that all you know about atheism is what other people have said?



Does this mean we are both in the same boat?


Cheers my dear

Whoosh....

Did you hear that? That was sound of my point rushing past your head. So I’ll lay it out real nice and slow.

The point: all you (or anyone) knows of “god,” is what other humans have said, god has said.

Get it?

 

[HitchSlap]

No, I post God's Truth which is the Truth in every way and watch as atheists agnostics and phonies try to prove His Holy Word wrong. I've been watching for many years and you, nor any other person, has EVER refuted His Truth. Amen?

...said every adherent of every religion ever.

 

[tas8831]

Mice staying mice.... Oh yes, definite proof of species evolving into other species. I am astounded I missed such conclusive proof of species evolving into other species....

So, you didn't bother to read anything or to grasp why that paper was listed.

As usual.