Prove me wrong Phobes, a challenge, I'm calling you OUT.

[Trevorocity]

I can't speak for him, but I believe he is trying to point out the double standard by which many Christians appear to live.

Bless

Actually there is no double-standard. Its the same principle in both cases. All the straight convert to homosexuality would have to do is feel genuinely sorry afterwards and then apparently he could be forgiven. How hard would that be?

 

[cantata]

Actually there is no double-standard. Its the same principle in both cases. All the straight convert to homosexuality would have to do is feel genuinely sorry afterwards and then apparently he could be forgiven. How hard would that be?

Difficult, if it meant that they won an argument, I should imagine! (Or if they enjoyed it.)

Most Christians would agree that repenting is not an easy thing to do.

 

[Trevorocity]

Difficult, if it meant that they won an argument, I should imagine! (Or if they enjoyed it.)

Most Christians would agree that repenting is not an easy thing to do.

And yet thats EXACTLY what they demand of Gays and Lesbians as a prerequisite for Salvation. Interesting.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Difficult, if it meant that they won an argument, I should imagine! (Or if they enjoyed it.)

Most Christians would agree that repenting is not an easy thing to do.

Yet most if not all believe that they personally have achieved it...making repentance difficult only for other people

 

[cantata]

And yet thats EXACTLY what they demand of Gays and Lesbians as a prerequisite for Salvation. Interesting.

I don't think they claim that it's going to be easy for those people, though!

Yet most if not all believe that they personally have achieved it...making repentance difficult only for other people

Isn't repentance ongoing?

 

[Merlin]

Since we are speaking purely of genetics then you accept that some peoples' DNA includes differences that could make them attracted to the same-sex.

Absolutely not.
As I replied
" Out of interest - would you say that everyone is genetically predisposed to be heterosexual?" Yes.
If we are speaking purely of genetics.

 

[Merlin]

Okay. I may agree with you. I don't think non-heterosexuality is genetic, although it may be biologically determined in the majority of cases.

The only difference is that I think it's awesome and you don't.

Says you.
I've not given my thoughts one way or another.
I've just explained Biblical law and genetic aspects.

 

[Trevorocity]

Says you.
I've not given my thoughts one way or another.
I've just explained Biblical law and genetic aspects.

Thus demonstrating your need to gain a better understanding of genetics. Its a challenging subject I'll grant you that, but I think you'll find the study of genetics to be a rewarding and insightful endeavor.

 

[cantata]

Says you.
I've not given my thoughts one way or another.
I've just explained Biblical law and genetic aspects.

Well, I have encountered you before, and I seem to remember that you do not share my feelings about non-heterosexuality - but please forgive me (and correct me) if I malign you.

 

[TheManeki]

It is incorrect to say that science has found there is no genetic component to homosexuality, just as it is incorrect to say science has found a genetic component to homosexuality.

It would be correct, however, to say that as of now science has not determined if there is or is not a genetic component to homosexuality -- in other words, the jury's still out.

 

[cantata]

It is incorrect to say that science has found there is no genetic component to homosexuality, just as it is incorrect to say science has found a genetic component to homosexuality.

It would be correct, however, to say that as of now science has not determined if there is or is not a genetic component to homosexuality -- in other words, the jury's still out.

 

[PetersKeys]

False analogy, and I am not ashamed. I am however incensed because I know that I am right and I have a deep committment to the facts unlike the Catholic "Church". And by the way neither drinking nor smoking will keep you out of Heaven.

Thats quite a prideful statement. To claim that you know you are right, even though scripture obviously says differently. It sounds like you have false hope through pride and the justification of sin. Many of your posts are very harmful to new people searching the christian faith. I honestly hope no one gets ensnared in them

 

[cantata]

Thats quite a prideful statement. To claim that you know you are right, even though scripture obviously says differently. It sounds like you have false hope through pride and the justification of sin. Many of your posts are very harmful to new people searching the christian faith. I honestly hope no one gets ensnared in them

Do you know you're right, PetersKeys?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Absolutely not.
As I replied
" Out of interest - would you say that everyone is genetically predisposed to be heterosexual?" Yes.
If we are speaking purely of genetics.

A claim for which you have just admitted there is absolutely no evidence for

 

[ShieldOFaith]

One of the exceedingly ridiculous claims of the Religious Right is that "Change is possible" for Homosexuals. That is to say, they can become Heterosexual if they wish and pray for it hard enough. This myth centers around the belief that homosexuals choose to be homosexuals and they can just wave a magic wand and unchoose it.

Fair enough. One only has to look at the surface to find out what motivates the Religious Right in this matter: money. Worried, phobic, "Christian" parents will pay a premium to force their gay sons into reparative therapy against their will. And of course groups like Exodus International and Love Won Out received millions in laundered Tithe money to support their bizarre operations.

On the other hand, maybe those 5 or 6 openly "ex-gay" mouthpieces who now suckle at the Reparative Therapy Teet (in what no one could possibly conclude is a conflict of interest because its not like they have a vested interest in continuing the myth or that the Ex-Gay therapy centers pay their salary...oh wait they do), have genuinely changed.

I don't think they have and I don't think its possible SO in the spirit of discovery and research; Phobes, here's your challenge: Prove me wrong.

I've often issued this challenge in other threads. Curiously it is a challenge that has never been taken up. I say curious because it is the one way to prove ALL 'Teh Gheys' collectively wrong once and for all and shut us up forever. The challenge is issued to Heterosexuals -- Alright so you say Homosexuality is a choice? Choose it then. I've never once heard a straggot come back with, "Alright buddy you're on!"

All you really ever hear is the collective sound of all the straight guys rushing out of the room. Or you hear lame excuses like, "Oh well I could easily choose to be homosexual but I won't because its a sin". Lame. Put your money where your mouth is phobe. If homosexuality is just a choice you can always unchoose it later, and if you're sorry Jesus will forgive you.

So that's it really. This thread gets bumped until some confirmed heterosexual guy who believes sexuality is a choice takes up the challenge. Women...sorry you're out on this one. I don't find the idea of two women together titillating in any way but for the sake of the delicate constitutions of the "Christian" men on this site lets agree you're too tempting.

Homosexuality is pure filth and abomination. The lame 'challenge' you threw out is weak. Just plain weak!

Here is a challenge to you.

Prove that JESUS CHRIST did not raise up from the dead. Do that and you kill all Christianity. Then your weak challenge means something.

Otherwise it is a waste of everybody's time. Waste.

Only if JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead does your weak challenge mean anything. Because only the Christians are laying the Smack Down on the vile sin of homosexuality. We can only do this if there is Authority in the Word of God. There can only be Authority in the Word of God if JESUS CHRIST rose up from the dead.

HE DIED ON A CROSS AND THEN ROSE UP FROM BEING DEAD THREE DAYS LATTER. Hence, homosexuality is a vile sin.

I'll keep bumping this until you figure out that you are wrong and are ready to submit to GOD.

Have a nice day.

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[cantata]

Only if JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead does your weak challenge mean anything. Because only the Christians are laying the Smack Down on the vile sin of homosexuality. We can only do this if there is Authority in the Word of God. There can only be Authority in the Word of God if JESUS CHRIST rose up from the dead.

What has this to do with whether or not homosexuality is a choice?

HE DIED ON A CROSS AND THEN ROSE UP FROM BEING DEAD THREE DAYS LATTER. Hence, homosexuality is a vile sin.

I'm pretty sure that doesn't follow.

Welcome back, by the way, SoF. The boards were getting a bit too serious without you.

 

[TheDag]

Actually there is no double-standard. Its the same principle in both cases. All the straight convert to homosexuality would have to do is feel genuinely sorry afterwards and then apparently he could be forgiven. How hard would that be?

look at the explanation cantata gave. She got it right. To choose to sin with the thought that it is ok because you'll be forgiven is wrong. There will be no forgiveness. if however you choose to sin through a moment of weakness then it is different. To put it in different words. God will not be mocked and abused to suit my needs or your needs.

Point in fact the Ex-gay quacks are using extra-biblical "evidence" to prove gays can change their sexual orientation. The bible also says nothing about that either.

There is nothing wrong with using extra-biblical evidence. It is non-biblical evidence that is a problem.
Non-biblical means it is against the bibles teachings.
Extra-biblical is if the bible is neither for or against.
Biblical is if it is supported by scripture.

Yes I'm still waiting for convincing scientifically reviewed evidence that gays can change their sexual orientation through magic and prayer.

Yet you have clearly stated as fact your position. That makes you no better than the christians you are having a go at. You are basing your beliefs on nothing other than opinion. I on the other hand take the view that there is no evidence to prove one side right and the other wrong so I will not state one side is right but wait for evidence.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

HE DIED ON A CROSS AND THEN ROSE UP FROM BEING DEAD THREE DAYS LATTER. Hence, homosexuality is a vile sin.

Interesting bit of theology and logic used here.

 

[TheDag]

Yet most if not all believe that they personally have achieved it...making repentance difficult only for other people

Repenting is something that should be done each time you sin. Sometimes it doesn't happen for sometime after. Most people do find it hard to admit they were wrong. We are taught to cover our backsides and hide evidence of mistakes. Repentance is doing the opposite. When repenting one needs to have the desire not to commit the sin again. They will not lose forgiveness if they do as long as they try.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Repenting is something that should be done each time you sin. Sometimes it doesn't happen for sometime after. Most people do find it hard to admit they were wrong. We are taught to cover our backsides and hide evidence of mistakes. Repentance is doing the opposite. When repenting one needs to have the desire not to commit the sin again. They will not lose forgiveness if they do as long as they try.

I and lots of other gay Christians repent of our sins.

But being gay, and living faithfully with our partners is not sin, and requires no repentance.