Prove me wrong Phobes, a challenge, I'm calling you OUT.

[RealDealNeverstop]

Homosexuality is pure filth and abomination. The lame 'challenge' you threw out is weak. Just plain weak!

Here is a challenge to you.

Prove that JESUS CHRIST did not raise up from the dead. Do that and you kill all Christianity. Then your weak challenge means something.

Otherwise it is a waste of everybody's time. Waste.

Only if JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead does your weak challenge mean anything. Because only the Christians are laying the Smack Down on the vile sin of homosexuality. We can only do this if there is Authority in the Word of God. There can only be Authority in the Word of God if JESUS CHRIST rose up from the dead.

HE DIED ON A CROSS AND THEN ROSE UP FROM BEING DEAD THREE DAYS LATTER. Hence, homosexuality is a vile sin.

I'll keep bumping this until you figure out that you are wrong and are ready to submit to GOD.

Have a nice day.

SOLA GRATIA.

So if I use large font does that make me right by optical burning retina default? It's always perplexing how those who claim to be the most knowledgeable about Jesus and scripture display both the least amount of Love and actual knowledge of scripture. (Hint: Word of God is defined by John1:1-4, and it is not the Bible.)

Moreover, let's say it is correct homosexuality is a sin. So what? Have all of you in your self-righteously constructed Sinorometers trumped Christ's Sacrifice? Have you the Authority for creating camps of Sin Segregation?

You are no less of a sinner than anyone else. You are loved no more by God than anyone else.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

I and lots of other gay Christians repent of our sins.

But being gay, and living faithfully with our partners is not sin, and requires no repentance.

Amen! It really cheeses me off just how transparent many anti-gay camps have become. Heck, it's like they don't even try to fake the funk by cloaking the forked-tongue lines in love.

Because most aren't gay (some we know are so their self-hating manifests in different ways) they can feel better about themselves by bashing gays. But that's not the sickest part. The anti-Christ root of their agenda is how they actually try to use the beautiful name of Christ, and his Sacrifice, to justify the hate-filled diatribes.

I don't care if people want to spew hate, but they should do it on their own dime and not abuse Christ in the process.

 

[Paulos23]

Here is a challenge to you.

Oh goody....

Prove that JESUS CHRIST did not raise up from the dead. Do that and you kill all Christianity. Then your weak challenge means something.

No, your the one making the positive claim, you prove Christ rose from the dead.

Otherwise it is a waste of everybody's time. Waste.

Well so are your posts as well.

Only if JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead does your weak challenge mean anything. Because only the Christians are laying the Smack Down on the vile sin of homosexuality. We can only do this if there is Authority in the Word of God. There can only be Authority in the Word of God if JESUS CHRIST rose up from the dead.

It is talk like this that make me wonder why there isn't more Christians.

Keep up the good work SoF.

HE DIED ON A CROSS AND THEN ROSE UP FROM BEING DEAD THREE DAYS LATTER. Hence, homosexuality is a vile sin.

With that kind of logic you should be able to turn lead into gold.

I'll keep bumping this until you figure out that you are wrong and are ready to submit to GOD.

You keep doing that. Your a good example of the 'kindness' of Christians that is driving people from Christanity.

 

[Trevorocity]

look at the explanation cantata gave. She got it right. To choose to sin with the thought that it is ok because you'll be forgiven is wrong. There will be no forgiveness. if however you choose to sin through a moment of weakness then it is different. To put it in different words. God will not be mocked and abused to suit my needs or your needs.

So your contention is that these supposed "Christians" just conveniently forget that Jesus will forgive them later, therefore they can also get away with making a willful decision to sin and can be forgiven. But of course 'Teh Gheys' won't be forgiven for being 'Teh Ghey'. Pretty convenient...for "Christians".

Yet you have clearly stated as fact your position. That makes you no better than the christians you are having a go at. You are basing your beliefs on nothing other than opinion.

My irony meter just spontaneously exploded.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Homosexuality is pure filth and abomination. The lame 'challenge' you threw out is weak. Just plain weak!

Actually pride and eating shellfish are abomination.
Homosexuality is not…male on male rape is…but not homosexuality


And the only reason to say that is because the challenge can’t be met and you know it.

Printing it in big letters doesn’t make name calling any more effective and doesn’t turn false witness into truth
And it doesn’t turn bigotry into love

 

[BigBadWlf]

? It's always perplexing how those who claim to be the most knowledgeable about Jesus and scripture display both the least amount of Love and actual knowledge of scripture.

reposted for truth

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Amen! It really cheeses me off just how transparent many anti-gay camps have become. Heck, it's like they don't even try to fake the funk by cloaking the forked-tongue lines in love.

Because most aren't gay (some we know are so their self-hating manifests in different ways) they can feel better about themselves by bashing gays. But that's not the sickest part. The anti-Christ root of their agenda is how they actually try to use the beautiful name of Christ, and his Sacrifice, to justify the hate-filled diatribes.

I don't care if people want to spew hate, but they should do it on their own dime and not abuse Christ in the process.

 

[Merlin]

Well, I have encountered you before, and I seem to remember that you do not share my feelings about non-heterosexuality - but please forgive me (and correct me) if I malign you.

To the best of my knowledge, I have only shared the Biblical aspects.
Since for a Christian, personal ideas about the law don't matter.
Sin is sin.

 

[Merlin]

A claim for which you have just admitted there is absolutely no evidence for

Not at all.
I simply stated that posting all possible genes and their function is not practical here.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Are you the same Merlin from CARM?

 

[Merlin]

Are you the same Merlin from CARM?

what is a CARM?

 

[lawtonfogle]

what is a CARM?

I'll take that as a no.

 

[TheDag]

So your contention is that these supposed "Christians" just conveniently forget that Jesus will forgive them later, therefore they can also get away with making a willful decision to sin and can be forgiven. But of course 'Teh Gheys' won't be forgiven for being 'Teh Ghey'. Pretty convenient...for "Christians".

Once again you show an incredible lack of understanding of basic christian beliefs. God will know if your motives. So it isn't just a matter of conviently forgetting like you suggest. Forgiveness is only given if one truly repents of the sin. Truly repenting means you want to try not to commit the same sin. The type of sin is not relevant. If it is a hateful thought or murder it will be forgiven if there is repentance. (just on a side note forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences for your actions)

My irony meter just spontaneously exploded.

you call it irony I call it taking a hypocritical stance and having double standards. You want people to do something you can't or won't do. It just goes to show that even if someone did take up your challenge you would find a way to dismiss it anyway

 

[TheDag]

I and lots of other gay Christians repent of our sins.

But being gay, and living faithfully with our partners is not sin, and requires no repentance.

I'm not sure if this post was a response to me or a comment for everyone but I would like to say that I have not made a comment one way or the other in this or any other thread as to if being gay is a sin or not. I am happy to give my opinion just like I have to gay co-workers who have asked me for it. I won't give my opinion in this thread but by pm to anyone who seems to be genuinely interested.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Once again you show an incredible lack of understanding of basic christian beliefs. God will know if your motives. So it isn't just a matter of conviently forgetting like you suggest. Forgiveness is only given if one truly repents of the sin. Truly repenting means you want to try not to commit the same sin. The type of sin is not relevant. If it is a hateful thought or murder it will be forgiven if there is repentance. (just on a side note forgiveness does not mean there are no consequences for your actions)


you call it irony I call it taking a hypocritical stance and having double standards. You want people to do something you can't or won't do. It just goes to show that even if someone did take up your challenge you would find a way to dismiss it anyway

That's not an accurate description of forgiveness. Jesus told us what to say when we pray and he made it clear forgiveness is conditional and not endemic to self-repentence.

Moreover, there isn't a single second that goes by that we are free from sin. We are sinners, period.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Not at all.
I simply stated that posting all possible genes and their function is not practical here.

The fact remains. You have no evidence to substantiate your claim that human beings are genetically programmed to be heterosexual

 

[InigoMontoja]

The fact remains. You have no evidence to substantiate your claim that human beings are genetically programmed to be heterosexual

Well, in biology 'heterosexual' and 'sexual' are in practice synonymous. What I mean is that there are two forms of reproduction: sexual and asexual. Sexual basically means you have male mating with female. That is how we reproduce. So we are physically heterosexual, and designed that way. Now you may be referring to 'attraction', meaning the mating instinct, in which case homosexuality, whatever its cause, is just a case of the mating instinct gone wrong.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Well, in biology 'heterosexual' and 'sexual' are in practice synonymous. What I mean is that there are two forms of reproduction: sexual and asexual. Sexual basically means you have male mating with female. That is how we reproduce. So we are physically heterosexual, and designed that way. Now you may be referring to 'attraction', meaning the mating instinct, in which case homosexuality, whatever its cause, is just a case of the mating instinct gone wrong.

That's using a false conclusion to support the premise we are hardwired heteros. All living organisms are hardwired for perpetuation but that isn't the same as being hardwired for heterosexual relationships. Penguins form lifetime homosexual relationships but they still reproduce.

Sex isn't simply for pro-creation but if it were, you'd have a valid point.

 

[Beanieboy]

Of course, I'd never argue with that.

I'm not a Christian - but I don't like to see people maligned, and I think that Trevorocity's portrayal of Christian understandings of sin is not quite right.

I think he makes a strong point, one that the Pharisees made.
They had a tendency to brag about their holiness, while condemning others.
Does it make sense to condemn homosexuals while being forgiving only of yourself?

As one his has experienced his number of Ted Haggarts looking at the camera, saying, "I know what YOU did last night," everyone found out what he did. I have seen Jerry Falwell condemn others, only to be shown to be an adulterer, and Jim Bakker to be a thief.

And these are the famous ones. The problem in Modern Christianity, which is why I practice Buddhism, is that while the bible clearly tells you to search your own soul, to take out the plank from your eye before removing the speck from your neighbor, the former is usually neglected, and most of the focus is on everyone else. All that does is make you falsely holier than thou, as with the Pharisee and the Tax Collector.

On another board, several of the Christians explained that they can focus on the sin of others if they don't do it themselves. They can focus on homosexuality, for example, if they don't practice it. But, is a plank a speck? It doesn't say, remove the plank from your eye before you remove the plank from another. It says to remove the plank from yours before you remove the speck from another.

And I'm a Buddhist, and had to explain it to people that supposedly follow the religion and read the Scripture.

 

[Beanieboy]

I'm not sure if this post was a response to me or a comment for everyone but I would like to say that I have not made a comment one way or the other in this or any other thread as to if being gay is a sin or not. I am happy to give my opinion just like I have to gay co-workers who have asked me for it. I won't give my opinion in this thread but by pm to anyone who seems to be genuinely interested.

You have to understand, however, what his point was.

Being heterosexual isn't necessarily not sinful. Guys usually brag about how many women they have slept with, and often give grafic detail to boost their own selfish ego.

But with homosexuality, whether it be casual sex, selfish, or committed relationship, it all gets grouped together, usually while ignoring the questionable practices of most heterosexauls.

Personally, I don't see much difference in sexual relationships that are casual or selfish, straight or gay. In the same way, i don't see much difference in committed relationships, gay or straight, as well.