Prove me wrong Phobes, a challenge, I'm calling you OUT.

[selfinflikted]

Seem as you have so frequently said in this thread you want facts and proof then provide proof that I am railing against anyones morality here.

My apologies. You did not rail.

i have said repeatedly in this thread that I do not hold a belief on if homosexuality is a choice because there is not enough evidence to prove it either way. So now is the time for you to put up. As I said in one of my previous posts I am sick and tired of being asked to defend beliefs that I do not hold and have not stated I follow. So show me the proof you have that I am having a go at your peoples morality. I have only had a go at peoples logic.

Again, my apologies.

people who I know that do chaplain work in prisons have said to me that pedophiles claim they love the children. I would suggest they don't have a proper understanding of love although I think alot of people don't understand love is not just a feeling.

On this, I agree.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

This OP is nothing but baiting. Which is against the Forum Rules.

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• The names or titles of God, including Jesus Christ and the Persons of the Trinity (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit), in any language, are not to be used as expletives or interjections or in an abusive, mocking, or insulting way.
• Sharing of information about one's beliefs, for instance by quoting Bible verses or witnessing, is encouraged. Honest debate and discussion regarding the existence and nature of God is allowed and welcome. Mockery of Christians, Christians beliefs, and the Christian God are not.
• You will not promote any faith, belief, or religion other than Christianity. For the purpose of these rules, Christianity is defined by Christian Forums' Statement of Faith.
  

Flaming, baiting, trolling, or feeding trolls is not allowed. This also applies to groups. In other words, play nice, don't hurt others, nor call them names.

So far this OP is calling people "phobes" and liars. It starts off with a baiting tactic




Christian Forums was started in 2001 as a "hobby" by Dr Erwin Loh, the founder of this site, who remained the Webmaster of CF from 2001 to 2007. In mid-2007, Erwin made the decision to broaden the site and make it a place of welcoming all people to learn about Christ


Posting GLBT proprpganda is not conductive to learning about Christ. In fact it has nothing to do about it. This isn't Advocate Mazagine or GLBT forums. These OPs are unconductive to people who want to learn about Jesus Christ and Christianity.





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As we see the forum is open to everyone, but within the bound of the theme of the forum and with the help of the proclamation of the Gospel.

"The post I quoted is baiting, which is against the forum rules and is not conducive to a learning environment regarding the Gospel."

Is it seen how that can be used to ignore the contents of any post? Furthermore, it's always ironic when people try to cite the rules when the rules state it is against the rules to claim posts are violating those rules. If the op is baiting then report it and let Staff do their job.

The op uses the term "Phobes" which is sort for homophobic. Here is the definition: (adj) homophobic (prejudiced against homosexual people) It's not slang nor derogatory but rather an accurate term because most people who claim orientation is a choice are also the same people that are against gay marriage and work towards constructing a Sinorometer that theologically segregates gays from everyone else.

It is also false to state ALL Christians view homosexuality as a sin. That is simply not true.

Christian ethics do not involve trying to silence people through abuse of power. There are plenty of Christian message boards available that do exactly what is being proposed here. If you'd like a name send me a pm and I will be glad to give a link.

But please, do not insult our intelligence nor the Gospel by trying to claim the motive here is of pure love and concern. The motive reeks of 13th Century paradigms used to justify silencing those we disagree with.

 

[cantata]

Hey Cantata

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to you, but I've been busy all weekend...

You know, I had this really long and well-thought out reply to your previous post ready to submit to the board. But I realised something just as I was about to click the submit button. You're right. I did some study over the weekend, and 'lo and behold, there's a huge debate over paraphilia vs orientation. I had no idea there was such a hot debate over this, but while I was investigating the debate, I discovered something. The whole Sexual Orientation vs Paraphilia debate stems from one phenomena - the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder. All of the paraphilias listed anywhere are still considered pathological, but homosexuality is not. Homosexuality used to be in that list of paraphilias, but no longer.

In short, and technically, there really is no difference between sexual orientation and some paraphilias other than one small thing - gender. Paraphilias exist without reguard to gender, while the current understanding of "orientation" applies to gender more than anything else. The definition of paraphilia is simply too broad.

So, I concede.

Hey, thanks! And a great post It really clarifies the issues.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

How is paraphilia too broad? http://www.athealth.com/Consumer/Disorders/Paraphilias.html

 

[sethad]

Hence subjects that are directed towards christian faith. Not anti-christian proproganda.

I find it saddening that someone has to "prove" themselves over someone else. That stems from Pride and insecurity. I don't need to prove to anyone. Ruins the whole meaning of what faith is.

No, Im saying that proproganda is harmful to people who are interesting in learning about the christian faith and then get sidetracked by OPs like this. Its against the purpose of this forum, which is to proclaim the Gospel. instead the forum attitude is "Uh, lets show those ignorant christians". If you honestly have that attitude, then you will have no rest in your soul ever in your life... Who can "out-do who" with the most bias proproganda that you seem to claim as "evidence". Posts like this only incite argument and flaming, not actual theological learning or faith formation.


And a few catagorys up it says Christian Forums. Hence posts direct toward a christian theme. This OP is ban worthy because it is counterproductive towards the people who want to learn about christianity and is essentially anti-christian proproganda.


The only thing I see from most of the unorthodox here is insecurity, hatred, confusion, flaming, baiting, proproganda, and general stupidity.

Even? Ethics and morality is about as un-even as they come. This part of the forum is being taken over. Almost every thread is about something that is anti-christian or against christian moral and belief. And then when a christian trys to stand up for his beliefs he gets flooded with a buncha unothodox proproganda. Like I said, it is not leveled and even and the mods need to level it out. A christian shouldn't have to visit this part of the forum having GLBT, atheism, and liberalist proproganda shoved down his throat. If you honestly need to have OPs like this then its obvious someone needs validation and is insecure about what they believe. But when it gets to a point where there are 90% posts on GLBT and liberal proproganda, and 10% on actual christian morals and ethics then we have a problem and the mods need to level it out or at least moderate these types of thread better that are so unconductive to orthodox christianity. All im asking is for people like Trevorocity to stop posting so much proproganda and baiting threads. Is it so hard to keep things within a christian context without calling other people liars and saying that christians are "Lying for christ" while at the same time you support something the bible considers a mortal sin? Please, stop the hypocrisy and tone it down. You cannot claim other people are lying when you yourself are supporting lies and proproganda. Get a grip

Since when is this a middle ground sandbox? This is a christian sandbox. Its created by christians so it is technically theirs.

I keep seeing you complaining about ad hominems, propaganda, etc. The funny thing is...you're just as guilty in the ad hominem department and the only propaganda I've seen has come from you.

And attacking the thread is not addressing the topic. For once in this thread would you like to come up with an actual well thought out free-of-logical-fallacies post that addresses the topic at hand?

 

[TheDag]

I keep seeing you complaining about ad hominems, propaganda, etc. The funny thing is...you're just as guilty in the ad hominem department and the only propaganda I've seen has come from you.

And attacking the thread is not addressing the topic. For once in this thread would you like to come up with an actual well thought out free-of-logical-fallacies post that addresses the topic at hand?

what so he can just be accused of being a coward like I was despite the fact that the OP ruled me out of taking part himself! While I don't condone the attacks it is easy to see why one would not want to address the issue. I pointed out where trevorcity had made an error in christian doctrine making his claims that people didn't need to worry about certain things as false. I was simply called a coward as a result. Do you think that inspires people to actually respond to the topic?

 

[Sojourner1]

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