Proof?

[amydoll1477]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

 

[Rafael]

I was agnostic as a young person too. Some things man can't do or prove. We have history and the creation that surrounds us. We can't, as man, make even a single cell of life live - giving it life. We see the dimension of time as mathematically tangible, but cannot do much more than observe, name, and measure it and the elemental things of the universe we live in.
There are links I can give that will point a person to the logistics of faith in a Creator, but the Bible also tells us that every person has known at some time in their life that God is real, instinctively, and then by choice and the pride of life exchange that built in truth for imaginations and even lies if they suit the egotism one has in the built in, inherited fallen nature that causes man to die.
If there is God, then He would be able to communicate with people and preserve truth for them throughout history and this has been done with the Bible like no other book. It has unique attributes like no other. In it, God very succinctly gives His plan of why He created man and how He planned to save man from the choice He gave them in the garden scenerio, when man fell into death and sin - being deceived by the antithesis of light and truth in satan. What rings true is the blood and the nature of man throughout scripture, with no fairy tale axioms, but the truth about how fallen mankind is in its murderous greed and selfishness.
The Bible tells us that by faith, God created the heavens and the earth from the things that are unseen which we are discovering today as quantum mechanics in atomic structure. We are only beginning to learn about the dimensions God inhabits, including eternity where there is no time, giving Him power to see the beginning to the end at a single moment, alpha and omega, and basing ones search with a foundation in God's truth is the place to start in life.
It's a awesome consciousness and life we possess and world we live in, and we have done nothing to give ourselves any of it. It is a gift from God, and if we pray and humble ourselves to Him and seek first His Kingdom, our brief stay on this plain of existence can be blessed and have promise of great reward in eternity, when all the Sons and Daughters of God have been revealed as lights against the darkness of the world's evil through the complete timeline and Jesus returns to earth - coming in the clouds with His saints.
There is actually a lot of mathematical and theoretical things just being discovered that explain how eternity more than likely exists as a dimension. Tying quantum and relative physics together requires them for any kind of unification theory to exist and work. Read the transcript from "evidence". It talks briefly about some of this with scientists opinions. I have the link below.
Life is a short journey to eternity. I hope you find the light to your path in Jesus, the Savior of all mankind, in whom there is forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

http://www.godandscience.org/

http://www.carm.org/questions_bible.htm

http://www.carm.org/questions_Jesus.htm

http://www.carm.org/questions_God.htm

http://www.theevidence.org/episodes/episode15.php

http://www.icr.org/

Chuck Misslar's MP3 tapes on Genesis are good. He is a computer scientist:
http://www.firefighters.org/

Romans 18:18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.
19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts.
20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.

Hebrews 11:1 What is faith? It is the confident assurance that what we hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things we cannot yet see.
2 God gave his approval to people in days of old because of their faith.
3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

 

[NJA]

Jesus gave His Life so that you can *receive* it by receiving the Holy Spirit:-
Ac:2:4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. . . .
33: Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. . . .
39: For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The "proof" will come from your own mouth !
And you will experience more daily in your heart and remind which are also enlightened.
Best thing is to meet some people that *have* it.

http://www.revivalusa.org

 

[hopefullynotananias]

There is a good book about proving Christ's divinity and that He died on a cross, called 'The Case For Christ' by a guy named Lee Strobel. He was a agnostic or an aethiest i think, and was a investigative journalist. Then he investigated Christ and His claims and became a believer. This book recounts that journey by interviewing a dozen or so experts in the field of Christ's claims. Might be worth a read. I thought it was pretty good and very interesting.

God bless.

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it goes beyond the Bible to try and find other evidence for Christ, as well as proving the Bibles authenticity as a source.

 

[Serapha]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

Hi there!



Welcome to the forums....

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

Well, yes... but the accuracy of the texts come into question... there are a multitude of manuscripts that did not "make it" into the canonized text of the Bible, and probably most of them would identify Christ's deity.


Here's a listing of early Christian writings....

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

But half of them are not canonized for one reason or another.

But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family.

I would encourage you to look at the archaeological and historical supports for the Bible.... They are much more "prove it" than science. The Bible is not a science textbook, but it is a history of God people, and archaeology is the study of the artifacts of a people. When the artifacts and the history line up--- well, that "prove it" in action.


~serapha~

 

[klewlis]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

Please define "proof". If you are asking for scientific evidence for something that is spiritual (divinity) then obviously you are not going to find what you're looking for. Science addresses only the natural, not the supernatural.

 

[ElliotMadHatter]

One thing that can be said... Pilot found nothing wrong with Jesus, not even 1 broken law... and He was part of the authorities.

 

[Riddick]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

Welcome to CF (Christian Forums)

How much proof do you require?

 

[Lay down all]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

I would like to ask you, would you follow God's way if you had proof?

If so you're saying you would follow His ways and turn from your old ways but only if you were convinced with some proof?

If you agree to these questions then think what you're saying, you're then saying you can follow God but with proof as somehow convicting you of your sin and somehow showing you what God is, somehow showing you His love, greatness and wisdom.
For what if satan convinced you with proof of his existence would you follow him.

I don't beleive it's how God chooses to reach us, i beleive it's a conviction of our hearts, seeing His way as truth and realising how our sins, our own way keeps us from His way of His pure love.

Jesus was the Word and taught us all from the lips of the only pure man to walk this earth.
His whole life was for us, He was the most perfect man ever, but let us mock, dispise and crucify Him as if He was filth of the earth, not realising the purity He spoke because of the evil in their hearts.

I beleive it's our evil that keeps us from Him, i beleive that stops us beleiving more than proof.
For for us to beleive in and follow His pure love, we have to be convicted of our lives, we have to turn from our ways which keep us from His ways.
For what are we giving up but our own desires, the way we choose for ourselves for our selfish gain, for our thinking we deserve anything, when we reject the greatest gift we are offered to seek our own gain, when really it only keeps us from the true greatest gain.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

All the anger and bitterness that riles inside us, comes from us thinking something of ourselves and maybe how harshly we are treated, or how someone has taken something we wanted, we make ourselves as someone who deserves of the world, and then that's what we inherit and the evil that comes from it.
But think of the love in your heart if you seek not your own gain, if you suffer for righteousness which is of God, if you show all humility to walk in His ways, then why would you have bitterness or the evil emotions of the world, if you seek to do His will.
For if you seek to do His will who created all things and our very existence, then there is nothing that can give you a more purer fullfillment, you can't get a greater peace or a pure love than from the Creator Himself.
And He wisely gives it the way He has wisely chosen to distribute it.
For He gives us and shows us how to live in all humilty of heart, with peace and unselfishness and His purity fullfilling us.

 

[Kehaar]

Hi there,

Welcome to the forums!

I have a book called 'Evidence that demands a verdict' by Josh McDowell which I'd recommend to you.

They're going cheap on Amazon right now!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0840743785/103-7242227-6648618?v=glance

There are various historical references I could quote to you but I'm not sure thats what you're looking for. I also hesitate to say this, because I'm not versed in the Koran and am only repeating what I've been told, but I do believe it makes reference to the birth of Christ.

If I can be of any more help just let me know.

Astral

 

[Caelum]

I find it mind boggling that you say you have "prove it" attitude, yet rely on what you feel is right. It's impossible to feel proof, but it is possible to prove feelings, that alone declares Jesus' divinity, read the entire NT and you will see what I mean

 

[Rafael]

A demand for proof may go unanswered, but a humble prayer of asking in faith will get results from God. We are born with a fallen nature that is proud to demand anything from God who has given us life. If we could make life ourselves, then we would have a leg to stand on when demanding. To ask is to receive, and to knock is to have the door opened, but many do not ask or knock because they proudly don't believe there is anyone to ask and no door to knock upon. To get anything from God, a person must first believe that He is and is a rewarder of those that seek Him.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.


Mt 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

 

[Rolf Ernst]

The proof of the divinity of Christ is His resurrection. How so? Go to the "questions about Christianity" forum. Click on the thread, "the resurrection." In the last post on that thread, I go into the many proofs that are seen by the resurrection of Christ.

 

[elginX]

For some it is hard to see Jesus as real until you can understand the events of the time period and see that there are other accounts of him. I took philosophy and art history at the same time and it really had an impact on my faith. Jesus became more real to me after I saw ancient art and artifacts depicting his life and also Roman artifacts from his time period.
It was like the sunlight and the nutrients that my seed of faith needed to begin growing.
I suggest that people check out the ancient art and artifacts and read the Jewish historian Josephus and the Roman accounts of Tacitus.
It may not work for everyone but for those who just cannot make Jesus real in thier hearts, it may be a start.

 

[TheMainException]

First...in your spirit...that hole that you can't fill with anything from the world. Second...the world...the natural world and it's amazingness that it was created the way it was...third....there are other books that tell about history that include certain people and phenomenon...I cannot name them though, but I have heard of them.

 

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

The best thing to do would probably be to ask God to prove his existence to you. I have 'proof' of his existence, sort of, as a lot of christians would, but it wouldn't mean anything to you as you have not had the experiences I have had.

Steve

 

[helmikaarina]

Many people who lived at the same time as Jesus where asking the same question "who is he". And to them Jesus said [bible]John 7:17[/bible]. It's impossible to us people to prove who Jesus was. It's possible to find it out same way as those people of his time foud it out. "Come and see" - follow him and you'll get to know him.

 

[lucaspa]

First off I want let everyone know that I am not trying to offend anyone?

I am at the moment very confused and searching. But I am also have a prove it attitude towards things, and don't get involved in things unless I feel it is right, and was raised in a scientific type family. One of my big questions on christianity is...

Is there any proof other than the Bible about Jesus's divinity? If so, what?

Personal experiences of Christians. The Bible is simply the experiences of Christians written down.

You need to realize that science limits itself to only a subset of evidence: personal experiences that are the same to everyone under approximately the same circumstances. As a scientist, I tell you that most of our lives are lived outside of science and most of the evidence we have and use to guide our lives is not scientific evidence.

Personal experience counts as evidence. However, unless you share that experience, you won't consider it as "proof".

 

[lucaspa]

The proof of the divinity of Christ is His resurrection. How so? Go to the "questions about Christianity" forum. Click on the thread, "the resurrection." In the last post on that thread, I go into the many proofs that are seen by the resurrection of Christ.

Rolf, the problem here is that the Resurrection is not attested to outside the Bible. The Jewish writings of the time -- Midrash and Talmud -- deny it. So, by the criteria the OP was using, this isn't going to be "proof" for him.

 

[lucaspa]

The best thing to do would probably be to ask God to prove his existence to you. I have 'proof' of his existence, sort of, as a lot of christians would, but it wouldn't mean anything to you as you have not had the experiences I have had.

Steve

Excellent post!