I would call anything that has the consistency of ground flour dust.
And if any stuff with the consistency of dust, flour,baking soda, anthrax or "organic matter" its still dust.
I guess that makes me a literalist.
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I would call anything that has the consistency of ground flour dust.
And if any stuff with the consistency of dust, flour,baking soda, anthrax or "organic matter" its still dust.
I guess that makes me a literalist.
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Hmm, you've raised an interesting problem with literalism; that is, that there is no absolute meaning of words, therefore there can be no one 'best' interpretation of the Bible.I would call anything that has the consistency of ground flour dust.
And if any stuff with the consistency of dust, flour,baking soda, anthrax or "organic matter" its still dust.
I guess that makes me a literalist.
After all, if dust is what you say it is, then the same could apply to any word in the holy book. Tada, unfalsifiable view!
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But you have the statistics which show you're more likely to be healed if you're faithful, right? Right??
Oh, you mean you don't? You mean you base your belief on a once-off event that could just as well have been coincidence, but which you, due to the culture in which you've been brought up, interpreted as having spiritual significance?
That's no argument at all. That's like someone presenting you with a stone and saying, "This stone has healing powers - it healed my cold last week!" When in fact they'd already had the cold for several days, so it probably just got better. Unless you can actually show that God (or the stone) significantly increases your chances of getting better quicker, then all you've got is a coincidence.
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Fractured bones mend, so do nerves - it takes time. Notice that you'd already been unwell for 3 years, and it was two weeks between your miracle worker doing something and the pain going. I might have been impressed if it was instantaneous, or within a day, and if she could do it again. But it was probably a combination of the placebo effect and blind luck.
Like I say, did no-one pray for you before this woman? Did they all lack faith? Or why else can you ignore their efforts? God just didn't fancy healing you those times?
It makes no sense.
You don't cheat or steal because you fear hell?
If so, you are morally bankrupt.
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God incited David by using Satan and allowing him to rise up against Israel.Thye say the same thing.
No. One says "The LORD ... incited" the other, "Satan ... incited"
That's COMPLETELY different.
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They both did --- it went like this:
1. Satan provokes David to number Israel.
- [bible]1 Chronicles 21:1[/bible]
- [bible]1 Chronicles 21:2[/bible]
- [bible]1 Chronicles 21:3[/bible]
- [bible]2 Samuel 24:1[/bible]
- [bible]2 Samuel 24:4[/bible]
Now --- why did God do this?
In the context, David is nearing death, and he has two major jobs yet to perform.
- Choose a successor.
- Have the Temple built.
Note that He did the same thing with Pharaoh, when Pharaoh vacillated. The longer Pharaoh took to decide, the more Israelites died under Pharaoh's administration; so God just sped up the decision-making process.
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I actually did not know if God wanted to heal my neck but that lady did not have a doubt he did want to.
Yes many had prayed for my neck and so had I. But my faith was weak and so was theirs. This lady had no doubts that is why I had zero improvement for years of Doctors treatment and was completely healed in a couple weeks after someone with strong enough faiths prayer and laying of hands.
Jesus healed in different ways. So my healing not being instantaneous is not unusual.
The reason some prayers are not answered is because of weak faith.
Jesus repeated this many times to his followers when they failed at casting out demons , healing the sick, Even Peter walked on water but started to sink when he second guessed his faith that he could at Jesus suggestion to get out of the boat and walk to him.
People are for the most part morally bankrupt without God. There are exceptions of course the Bible says so.
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So because God did not bother to tell us all of the exact ingredients of the dust he used , as he did not tell us the process he used makes this confusing for you??
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It's not about confusion, it's about the statement made being so vague that it could be made to fit any reality, no matter what that reality happens to be.
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What you've got there is what's called an unfalsifiable belief. No matter what we say, you're still going to believe that God healed you. Even though studies of cardiac patients show that intercessory prayer doesn't work, you will still believe that, with enough faith, people can be healed. The numbers just aren't there, though, so whatever you believe, you can surely see why no rational person would be convinced?
How do you know? Is there some way of quantifying faith? Because it seems to me like this is just an excuse for prayer not working most of the time. When something gets better, then whoever just prayed for you must have had lots of faith - that's not an explanation, it's just ad hoc foolishness, I'm afraid. We can get a sort of explanation by accepting that we don't know everything about the human body, and that diseases just get better. Your idea of prayer doesn't explain the data any better because it makes no predictions. Seriously, if you could find me someone whose faith was so strong they could heal people with a greater success rate than we would expect from random cures, I would be listening. Then you could predict that they would heal someone, it would happen, and we'd have to find an explanation.
But all you have is some people who seem to just have randomly "got better" and then you attribute that to someone's prayer.
Can you not see this, for a second, how a sceptic would see it - as a handy excuse for when miracles don't work out? It's a great get-out - you make all this high-faluting claims and then - oh, sorry, you have to have faith. Can't speak in tongues? Can't heal folks? Not enough faith, mate.
If you look at the numbers, people are morally bankrupt to roughly equal degrees whatever religion or lack of it they ascribe to.
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Can we quantify the actual percentage of all types of cancer treatment patients that recover because of the treatment??
Is so please post those stats.
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People are for the most part morally bankrupt without God. There are exceptions of course the Bible says so.
If you look at the numbers, people are morally bankrupt to roughly equal degrees whatever religion or
( lack of it )
they ascribe to.( quote )
Yep
People are for the most part morally bankrupt without God. There are exceptions of course the Bible says so.
If you look at the numbers, people are morally bankrupt to roughly equal degrees whatever religion or
( lack of it )
they ascribe to.( quote )
Yep
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Here is more proof that is more specific.
This is someone elses thread since you have your mind so closed to my evidence that you can't look at it objectively.
http://foru.ms/t6193564-did-you-know-that-there-is-an-ancient-book-that-foretold-current-events.html
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Here is a link that you as a scientist should love since it proves so much science wrong.Like immunization for example.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/technology/med.htm
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It does no such thing. It's a conspiracy theory site, and even more importantly it spreads very dangerous lies about medicine and health.
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If people can not decide for themselves what is and isn't moral then you can not claim that God is a moral being. If one can not judge whether or not God is moral then following God's edicts can not be considered moral or immoral. You become nothing more than an automaton following orders. That is not morality, that is obedience. My dog can do that.
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No western medicine spread very dangerous propganda and lies about medicine and health and has since inception .
Did you know astrology was taught as part of western medicine in its beginnings.
Did you know prior to becoming a mystic Nostraddaamus was considered a great doctor??
Guess what one of his greatest accomplishments was.
He started using ascirbic acid ( vitamin c ) and Rose hips to treat black plague and people started getting better.
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Yes God commands obedience.
Charles Manson, Hitler, Saddam Hussein etc. seemed to be able to judge what is and isn't moral , right??
Your dog can also show compassion ,love and , remorseand can greive the loss of a loved one. But thats a different topic.
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