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Chalnoth
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Haha! Two separate events? Did you even read the passages in question? Here, I'll make it easy for you:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Samuel 24&version=31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Samuel 24&version=31
(these link to the NIV version, but if you prefer another version, you can select it near the top of the page)
I'm not even going to bother to argue why it's the same event, as I think it's pretty darned obvious from the text, if you read both chapters in full.
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Did you miss this part ??
But even it were the same event in time then God simply used Satan to get his will done and get David to do the census.There fore one account says God did it. And the other says who was used by God to do it . They still would not be in contradiction to one another.
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Miraculous healing? Tell us more. What exactly was miraculous - I'm pretty sure injured necks repair themselves, as long as their is some care for the patient.
Please find me an atheist who fears going to hell.
And on top of that, tell me why that means he should believe in God.
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Ken Miller says you're wrong.
There is no other type.
Actually that is basically just due to diet.
You accept that mutations can cause things to get bigger, right? So if a microorganism has millions of mutations which make it bigger, then surely it will at some point stop being a microorganism.
If that didn't happen, evolution would be wrong. You are still an ape.
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So presumably no-one else had prayed for your neck before this time. What is the success rate for miraculous healing? How quickly does one normally experience healing after prayer?
For example, in the entire time people have been looking at Lourdes in France, where millions of people have gone to try and be healed, there have been fewer than 200, IIRC, actual healings. That's actually fewer than one would expect if you do the statistics.
Sorry, but your healing was a (happy) coincidence.
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You missed the and why. How do you tell the difference, exactly? If you were given a skull and asked to tell whether it was human or ape, then how would you do it - I want a method which gives a definite answer for every single skull.
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Did you miss this part ??
There fore one account says God did it. And the other says who was used by God to do it . They still would not be in contradiction to one another.
Chalnoth gave you the wrong link:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Chronicles 21&version=31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Samuel 24&version=31
Here are the passages:
"Satan rose up against Israel and incited David..."
"Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David"
In one "Satan ... incited David" in the other, "...the LORD ... incited David"
You think that it makes sense to read "The LORD incited David" as "The LORD got Satan to incite David?" Ox droppings. You could make "Black is White" not a contradiction if you read it like that.
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I was speaking of the fear of going to hell keeping a person of faith faithful.
The same concept is why do we not cheat or steal when we need money and cannot work because of say............. a broken neck ??
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God incited David by using Satan and allowing him to rise up against Israel.
Thye say the same thing.
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Healing success depends on the faith of the one with the gift and the faith of the one being healed.
Sometimes God wants the faithful to not be healed too.
2 Corinthians 12 : 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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If you remove all moisture from the human body it will be a pile of what??
Dust
1: fine particles of matter (as of earth)2: the particles into which something disintegrates
Can any solid be ground in to dust??
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Just google creation science and there are 1000's of sites full of info.
Where do you think the cut and paste I use comes from??
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Chalnoth
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But the Bible doesn't say that. You're making stuff up when you make that claim. One says Satan did it. One says God did it. The one that mentions Satan doesn't mention God, and vice versa. Why are you adding to the text? Furthermore, can you provide any Bible verse that would indicate that Satan would obey? Or that God likes to use Satan to do his dirty work?Did you miss this part ??
There fore one account says God did it. And the other says who was used by God to do it . They still would not be in contradiction to one another.
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These same sites are devoid of science.
We are waiting for you to make arguments of your own. When will this occur?
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Yes, they do.
The production of new species has been observed numerous times. How do you explain this?
And we are also apes, as are chimps. It's just apes turning into apes. So where is the problem?
That's not even close to true. The evolution of whales, including the Blue whale which is the largest animal EVER, shows this to be wrong.
You were once a micro-organism. A single cell. How do you explain this?
Of course they will, just as evolution predicts. You never evolve into something completely new. However, there will be more and more variation among reptiles over time.
Humans and chimps are apes, so where is the problem?
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Vene
In memory of ChordatesLegacy
If you remove all moisture from the human body it will be a pile of what??
Dead organic matter.
Are you a Bible literalist? If you are then take dust at face value, where dust is minute particles of rock. I'm interested into what the original word was so it can be compared. After all, some meaning is always lost in translation.
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Not one of which is scientific. None of them contain original data or peer reviewed articles. Bunk basically.
My current hypothesis is you subscribe to PsueudoChristian Idolator's Monthly, and they send you this stuff on a CD.
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Vene
In memory of ChordatesLegacy
Oh you shut up. Yes, there is a lot of salt in the human body (I'm using the definition where a salt is a product of an acid-base reaction) due to the large amount of Na, Ca, and Cl ions (amongst others). But proteins, nucleic acid, carbohydrates, and lipids compose much of the actual structure and they're organic. Oh, and ignore the bones for the sake of my argument.
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