Proof that the Abrahamic god exists?

[bhsmte]

I gave you my "evidence".....God created the universe. Refute that statement....I don't think you can.....

That looks like a claim, not evidence.

If the prosecutor in court simply says; the defendant committed the crime, it is up to the defense to prove he didn't, doesn't quite get it done.

 

[anonymous person]

That looks like a claim, not evidence.

If the prosecutor in court simply says; the defendant committed the crime, it is up to the defense to prove he didn't, doesn't quite get it done.

You've been on here for years.

I am sure you can use the search function if you are looking for something.

 

[bhsmte]

You've been on here for years.

I am sure you can use the search function if you are looking for something.

Search for what?

 

[anonymous person]

Search for what?

Precisely.

 

[bhsmte]

Precisely.

Precisely what?

 

[civilwarbuff]

I decline. You haven't presented a case to refute.

I accept your defeat. Thank you.

 

[civilwarbuff]

That looks like a claim, not evidence.

If the prosecutor in court simply says; the defendant committed the crime, it is up to the defense to prove he didn't, doesn't quite get it done.

But we aren't talking about law are we? BTW that was the worst analogy I have yet to see on CF.com.
I made my statement, provided my evidence (none) and await someone to show there is enought scientific evidence to exclude God from creating the universe. Shouldn't be that hard.

 

[bhsmte]

But we aren't talking about law are we? BTW that was the worst analogy I have yet to see on CF.com.
I made my statement, provided my evidence (none) and await someone to show there is enought scientific evidence to exclude God from creating the universe. Shouldn't be that hard.

Why would one need to present evidence, to refute a claim that has been presented, with zero evidence to support the claim?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Why would one need to present evidence, to refute a claim that has been presented, with zero evidence to support the claim?

How much easier can I make it....I have zero evidence to support my position. You should be able to do it at a snap of the fingers....

 

[Nihilist Virus]

If you really wanted the shape of a camp that could not be snuck up upon, you'd camp in a circle with the outer ring facing outwards. You'd use up a lot less room, and it'd be truly impossible to sneak up on.

I'm sure you've enough tactical smarts to realize that a cross formation is not the way to camp if you are doing it to protect the center. It uses a lot of unnecessary room, and you leave 4 giant corners unprotected that the people in the tents would have to suddenly get up and move to rush to protect the corners.

So no, this wasn't for tactical reasons whatsoever.

It just so happens that it makes an almost perfect cross, and the cross just happens to be God's favorite symbol. But no, let's not actually consider that, because we're going to just toss out evidence on the grounds "there's no proof that's what it was", while marginalizing what it could mean, right?

The user jain.rahul at atheistforums.org posted the following:

I have been given this reason by a muslim that god exists.

Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27

Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%

The star Sirius appears in the Surah called an-Najm, meaning “Star.” The stars comprising Sirius approach one another in their courses once every 49.9 years. This astronomic phenomenon is indicated in verses 49 and 9 of Surat an-Najm.

Al-Hadid is the 57th Surah of the Qur’an, and the numerical value of the words al-Hadid is also 57.
The value of the word "hadid" alone is 26, and this is also the atomic number of iron.

The word “day (yavm)" appears 365 times in the Qur’an.
It takes the Earth 365 days to orbit the Sun.

The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.

Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.

Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.

This proves that Quran is the word of God.
I haven't read Quran myself to refute these arguments. Any advises?

You sound a lot like that guy.

I know I've mentioned the math behind Daniel 9 before in a thread you participated in, but you waved that off saying that they could have set that upon purpose (even though you're talking about how that would require the cooperation of the Jews and Christians, the former who bitterly persecuted the latter) or something. I'm not sure if that was you who said it, or someone else, though. If you want me to go over that again if you don't remember, I could. I find it a rather fascinating thing, how someone can make a prediction some 500-600 years in advance and it comes down to the very day. lol.

Yes, go over it again for the first time. And yes, it was someone else who said that.

Or how about the fact that the only two verses in the Bible that start with "In the Beginning", you can find pi and E (the mathematical constant) encoded (Genesis 1 for Pi, John 1 for E) to a large number of digits, using the exact same formula in both verses (despite the fact Genesis and John were written by the Jews and Christians respectively)? That's... pretty strange, considering Genesis was written long before Pi came about, and John 1 was written before E was discovered, and if any single letter in those verses would have been different, the whole thing wouldn't work. Not to mention, the math required to figure these out (much less how to encode them like that and still come up with a writing that makes sense!) did not exist during the time the Old Testament was written.

Again, you sound exactly like jain.rahul. Although this is interesting so I'd be curious for you to show me what you're talking about.

And Euler's number is not capitalized. E means energy, e is Euler's constant.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/482/ <---if you want to read up on that.

The chances of this happening unintentionally are... probably more astronomical than you winning the lottery every single day for the rest of your life.

Oh I see you gave it already. And I see it was written by Chuck Missler. The peanut butter clown. If you want me to read his garbage you're going to have to listen to me trash him first.

My first complaint about him is that he (correctly) calls himself Dr. Chuck Missler, but then goes on to talk about things like quantum mechanics... leading the casual listener to believe that his PhD is in astrophysics or something. When in fact it is in mechanical engineering. This is called deception.

Also he has no clue how evolution works or what the theory even says, as shown in his peanut butter video.

And no, I didn't watch the video of his that you posted on the cross formation.

I'll still read it, but I will now have to fact check it up the wazoo because he is known to be dishonest.

Does that somehow invalidate the fact that He exists, or that the Bible is His word?

It invalidates the fact that he should be referred to with a capital H, or the fact that he should be worshiped, or the fact that he is a loving god. He can still exist, but he is an evil god or else one that does not care about morality and is sided with the Jews (in which case, where's he been for the last 2000 years?).

And besides, I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where God told anybody to rape anybody. That would be news to me, because in Levitical Law, He forbade adultery which would include rape, and I remember there being laws against taking anyone other than a Jew as a husband/wife.

I never said rape or slavery were commanded. They were condoned or approved of. The genocide was commanded. This is a straw man argument, shame on you.

Rape is certainly allowed, lol. I'd bring it up but you do so for me below:

Now, it is true that the Jews did take wives out of the people they conquered, but, well, the Jews broke lots of laws over all of those years. But God never told them to do that.

Wrong. Numbers 31:17-18.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'd think that if an army slaughtered a 12 year old girl's entire family and then one of the men claimed her as a loot wife, the consummation would be rape.

Genocide? Yes, God did tell them to wipe out the people in Canaan. He promised that land to the Jews and told them to go in there and possess it. There's been lots of theories and conjectures as to why He might have done that. Regardless of the reason, that doesn't mean that He doesn't exist, nor does it mean the Bible is not His word.

As shown above, it means that "He" doesn't exist.

Slavery? There are lots of passages in the Bible that talk about respecting your bondmen (which is basically the same thing as a slave). You're supposed to treat them right, you're supposed to give them their just wage, etc etc. When you say "slave" and talk about God's laws, I think God's view of a "slave" is more like what we have today, with workers. Think about it: are we not all slaves to money IRL today? We sit in a cubicle so we can afford to eat? If you follow the laws in the Bible about bondmen, it starts to sound more like an employer/employee type deal more than it does slavery in the sense of Plantation Slaves during the Civil War.

See this post please, post #263 in "Why do Christians lose faith?"

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I made my statement, provided my evidence (none) and await someone to show there is enought scientific evidence to exclude God from creating the universe. Shouldn't be that hard.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Your claim, your burden of proof.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I am not allowed to use MY source for evidence....didn't you read the rules.

 

[bhsmte]

How much easier can I make it....I have zero evidence to support my position. You should be able to do it at a snap of the fingers....

Ok, you acknowledge you have zero evidence to support your position. Therefore, until such time you have evidence to support your position, I am in no position to believe your claim has any merit. No scientific evidence required, to not believe a a claim with zero evidence.

I you told me you were 6 feet tall, I will likely just assume this is true and believe you. If you told me you were 9 feet tall, I would ask you to provide objective evidence to support this claim. If you said you had zero evidence to support you were 9 feet tall, I wouldn't give your claim another thought, until such time you could provide objective evidence.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Like I said, I am not allowed to use MY source....the rules of the game so I am doing the best i can within those limits.

 

[bhsmte]

Like I said, I am not allowed to use MY source....the rules of the game so I am doing the best i can within those limits.

What rules, are you referring to?

 

[civilwarbuff]

You have not read the OP?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

1. No anecdotes (personal events)
2. No long commentaries.
3. Use scientific evidence.
4. Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
5. No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)

Guessing you as an atheist have strong faith...in evolution...and will not break trust with that faith though your atheist-minded scientist of the top tier have debunked that theory??

I, as a Christian, will say conscience proves our God exists...proof in the science realm anyway. Also, archaeologists say something...something unknown to them...made the walls of Jericho fall quite instantaneously...though it couldn't have been by the power of God, oh no, one must not give up the atheist faith too readily. Not only did the walls of Jericho fall just as described in the Bible, but city/nation after city/nation fell according to the evidence they unearth exactly along the path the Bible describes of the Israelites.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Also, archaeologists say something...something unknown to them...made the walls of Jericho fall quite instantaneously...though it couldn't have been by the power of God, oh no, one must not give up the atheist faith too readily. Not only did the walls of Jericho fall just as described in the Bible, but city/nation after city/nation fell according to the evidence they unearth exactly along the path the Bible describes of the Israelites.

Actually, archaeologists say that Jericho had fallen long before Joshua's gang of maniacs arrived. They settled in an abandoned city. They recorded it as a genocidal conquest because that was like bragging back then.

 

[bhsmte]

Guessing you as an atheist have strong faith...in evolution...and will not break trust with that faith though your atheist-minded scientist of the top tier have debunked that theory??

I, as a Christian, will say conscience proves our God exists...proof in the science realm anyway. Also, archaeologists say something...something unknown to them...made the walls of Jericho fall quite instantaneously...though it couldn't have been by the power of God, oh no, one must not give up the atheist faith too readily. Not only did the walls of Jericho fall just as described in the Bible, but city/nation after city/nation fell according to the evidence they unearth exactly along the path the Bible describes of the Israelites.

Why does one need faith, when you have an abundance of objective evidence, to agree with evolution?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Actually, archaeologists say that Jericho had fallen long before Joshua's gang of maniacs arrived. They settled in an abandoned city. They recorded it as a genocidal conquest because that was like bragging back then.

Actually, that is a rather faded version and more recent atheistic archaeological studies have shown the walls of Jericho fell spontaneously...but gives no Biblical credence...as usual.
You aren't interested in facts it seems...I thought it was us Christians that were at odds with science...