Proof of Creation?

[Kylie]

Because the top layers are those that are eroded first as the mountain continues to up lift.

Guess what, no one knows "millions of years" but they doesn't stop them from speculating.

By this logic, we shouldn't have mountains at all!

 

[Strathos]

What about his dedication to the Great Commission?

 

[stevevw]

Mountains are also being pushed up.

Do you know anything about plate tectonics?

Of course but did you realize that despite mountains being pushed up through shifting plates erosion still will take away the top parts of those mountains. So if a mountain is 20,000 feet it can be eroded down by 10,000 feet but then maintain a decent height of say around the same maybe 18,000 feet or so. But that doesn't mean it has only lost 2,000 off the top. It still has lost the 10,000 feet but its just grown again to make up for it. So an entire original mountain of 20,000 feet can be eroded away and then replaced with another new mountain over time.

So my point was the fossils are on the surface of the earth in the top layers of sediments. When a mountain is pushed up those top layers are still at the surface but instead are up in the air at 20,000 feet or so. Then erosion takes away the top 10,000 feet of the mountain over millions of years. That should destroy any fossils and take the mountain down to the harder granite. But many mountains still have the fossils of sea life and even water ripples on them. Why is that.

 

[Kylie]

Of course but did you realize that despite mountains being pushed up through shifting plates erosion still will take away the top parts of those mountains. So if a mountain is 20,000 feet it can be eroded down by 10,000 feet but then maintain a decent height of say around the same maybe 18,000 feet or so. But that doesn't mean it has only lost 2,000 off the top. It still has lost the 10,000 feet but its just grown again to make up for it. So an entire original mountain of 20,000 feet can be eroded away and then replaced with another new mountain over time.

Yeah, so?

So my point was the fossils are on the surface of the earth in the top layers of sediments. When a mountain is pushed up those top layers are still at the surface but instead are up in the air at 20,000 feet or so. Then erosion takes away the top 10,000 feet of the mountain over millions of years. That should destroy any fossils and take the mountain down to the harder granite. But many mountains still have the fossils of sea life and even water ripples on them. Why is that.

And you still need sedimentary rock to form the upper part of the mountain, and that's where the fossils are. It is likely that many fossils have been destroyed by erosion in the way you suggest, but you seem to be under the impression that fossils only occur in a narrow layer of sedimentary rock. This is not true. When one layer and the fossils within it are eroded, they are lost forever, but they reveal the layers below, and thus the fossils contained in those layers.

There's no problem here.

 

[Strathos]

in a odd way i suppose i enjoy reading his posts, i kinda hope he does come back. not sure if that's a good hope or not.

True, this place just isn't the same without him. He was certainly one of the more interesting characters around here. It seems like dad is trying to pick up some of the slack, but it's not as good as the original.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

Why do you believe something for which you have no evidence or proof?

 

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[stevevw]

Yeah, so?



And you still need sedimentary rock to form the upper part of the mountain, and that's where the fossils are. It is likely that many fossils have been destroyed by erosion in the way you suggest, but you seem to be under the impression that fossils only occur in a narrow layer of sedimentary rock. This is not true. When one layer and the fossils within it are eroded, they are lost forever, but they reveal the layers below, and thus the fossils contained in those layers.

There's no problem here.

Ok well as far as I understood fossils only ended up in the sedimentary layers. For a fossil to form it has to be covered and not left on the surface for being scavenged or eroding away itself. So it needs to be covered pretty quickly by sediments or maybe fall into a swamp or sea and sink to the bottom and get covered. But Igneous rock wont have fossils as they are to hot and subject to the heat of the lower layers in the earth.

Fossil layers are fossils that formed in sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock is rock that is formed in layers by the depositing and pressing of sediments on top of each other.
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/layers/evidence_layers.html

 

[Loudmouth]

So my point was the fossils are on the surface of the earth in the top layers of sediments. When a mountain is pushed up those top layers are still at the surface but instead are up in the air at 20,000 feet or so. Then erosion takes away the top 10,000 feet of the mountain over millions of years. That should destroy any fossils and take the mountain down to the harder granite. But many mountains still have the fossils of sea life and even water ripples on them. Why is that.

You need to find an example where the erosion rates are too high compared to the age of the mountain range.

 

[Doveaman]

No matter what?

Yes.

I take it that no matter what evidence I show you, you will claim that the Bible is still accurate?

When did evidence ever prove anything in science, much less in the Bible?

Evidence is only good for speculating about the past.The history recorded by those who lived in the past is more reliable.

If it isn't falsifiable, then it is a dogmatic belief.

I believe it because I hold it to be true. In science, no one believes anything to be true because nothing is ever proven to be true. It's all speculative.

 

[Doveaman]

The beauty of circular logic - very little thought is required.

It is only considered circular logic by those who don't believe in the God who inspired the Bible.

 

[bhsmte]

It is only considered circular logic by those who don't believe in the God who inspired the Bible.

Nope.

It is considered circular logic by the very definition of the same.

 

[Davian]

Yes.
When did evidence ever prove anything in science, much less in the Bible?

Evidence is only good for speculating about the past.The history recorded by those who lived in the past is more reliable.
I believe it because I hold it to be true. In science, no one believes anything to be true because nothing is ever proven to be true. It's all speculative.

The sciences that facilitated the construction of the computer you are using and the means by which you connect to this forum were not built on speculation.

Or were you only referring to the sciences that you interpret as impinging on your particular religion?

 

[Loudmouth]

It is only considered circular logic by those who don't believe in the God who inspired the Bible.

Flowchart for your circular reasoning.

As for science, it doesn't require you to believe anything. All of the evidence is demonstrable. All of the observations can be repeated by anyone with the proper lab and field skills.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Of course but did you realize that despite mountains being pushed up through shifting plates erosion still will take away the top parts of those mountains. So if a mountain is 20,000 feet it can be eroded down by 10,000 feet but then maintain a decent height of say around the same maybe 18,000 feet or so. But that doesn't mean it has only lost 2,000 off the top. It still has lost the 10,000 feet but its just grown again to make up for it. So an entire original mountain of 20,000 feet can be eroded away and then replaced with another new mountain over time.

So my point was the fossils are on the surface of the earth in the top layers of sediments. When a mountain is pushed up those top layers are still at the surface but instead are up in the air at 20,000 feet or so. Then erosion takes away the top 10,000 feet of the mountain over millions of years. That should destroy any fossils and take the mountain down to the harder granite. But many mountains still have the fossils of sea life and even water ripples on them. Why is that.

When you drive around the country, notice the layers and layers in the mountains where they have been cut away to make roadways. The sedimentary layers don't stop at 20 feet or so, they go down a long long ways, and eroding a lot off the top can still leave sedimentary layers exposed.

 

[Kylie]

Ok well as far as I understood fossils only ended up in the sedimentary layers. For a fossil to form it has to be covered and not left on the surface for being scavenged or eroding away itself. So it needs to be covered pretty quickly by sediments or maybe fall into a swamp or sea and sink to the bottom and get covered. But Igneous rock wont have fossils as they are to hot and subject to the heat of the lower layers in the earth.

Fossil layers are fossils that formed in sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock is rock that is formed in layers by the depositing and pressing of sediments on top of each other.
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/layers/evidence_layers.html

Agreed. Fossils only form in sedimentary rocks.

What's your point?

 

[Lbo Rev10]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

Sure there is plenty of proof -

The clothes on your back for one.

And what year is it?

Have you ever noticed how calm and relaxed animals are when giving birth?

And we all know the founding battle-cry of the islamic revolution, “Death to America!”, no?

And what about the Jews?

I can go on and on and on -

 

[Kylie]

Steve, still waiting for your point here...

 

[stevevw]

Steve, still waiting for your point here...

Sorry I got sidetracked. Well my point is from what I understand if the sediment layers are about as deep as the grand canyon on average as an example which are about 1800 meters deep. So erosion eats away sediment at about 4 or 5 mm a year on average. So for a 20 million year old mountain that would take away about 1 meter every 200 years. So thats 5 meters in a 1000 years. Thats 500 meters in a 100,000 years. So where already up to nearly a third of that sediment layer gone in just 1/10 of a million years let alone 20 million years. So wouldn't the sediment layers on mountains be completely gone 10 times over by now even if you take into consideration they still push up from underneath. The tops still gets erodes. So after a while the whole mountain will disappear and be replaced with the rocks below it which are not sedimentary bit solid granite or igneous rocks.

 

[stevevw]

When you drive around the country, notice the layers and layers in the mountains where they have been cut away to make roadways. The sedimentary layers don't stop at 20 feet or so, they go down a long long ways, and eroding a lot off the top can still leave sedimentary layers exposed.

Yes but thats on or near the ground. We are talking about on top of mountains where the erosion is much greater. It is said that a complete mountain can be eroded away in millions of years. The only reason it still stands is because it is growing still from bottom up. But the tops of them and probably at least to half way down and beyond has disappeared over time and been replaced by new rocks. the sedimentary rocks at the top have long gone and are replaced with granite or igneous rocks from below.