Proof God created evil

[YouAreAwesome]

I am replying to @RDKirks statement. And yes - GOD created Evil as it is written, "
I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things." (Isaiah 45:7 Brentons Septuagint)

Do you believe "the end justifies the means"?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

You have completely ignored the main point - FREE WILL.

How is the main point of "FREE WILL" missed?

 

[Widlast]

How is the main point of "FREE WILL" missed?

You blame God for what others do with the exercise of their own free will.
For any being to do anything without being controlled, that being must have free will.
Free will can be abused, and it has.

 

[rockytopva]

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things..

 

[YouAreAwesome]

I deny that God created morally free agents (or free will, if you will)

Do you hold a compatibilist or hard-deterministic position?

A morally free agent is a moral agent who can chose his actions free from constraint or consequences imposed by any other moral agent.

But were agents "free" in the sense that they could choose good or evil whether with or without the knowledge of the consequences?

 

[Richard Tanner]

We must ask ourselves what it is that we are set free from when the Son sets us free. Ourselves? Satan? No, we are set free from having to choose sin. We are inclined to sin - servants subject to choose a path that God did not choose for us. Predestined? Well, the bus is scheduled to go to Chicago. The question is, will you be on that bus whose path is already determined? The church is predestined as a whole. the question is, do you have the ability to choose to go along. For to choose sin, to choose life without God is no choice. We need to be set free to choose God.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

You blame God for what others do with the exercise of their own free will.
For any being to do anything without being controlled, that being must have free will.
Free will can be abused, and it has.

So you believe God did not know the free agent would choose evil at the moment God created it?

 

[hedrick]

Evil isn't a separately existing thing. So God didn't create it. But I agree that he created people knowing that they would choose to do evil things.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things..

So omnibenevolence logically produces evil?

 

[rockytopva]

So omnibenevolence logically produces evil?

Which is why men ought always pray!

 

[YouAreAwesome]

we are set free from having to choose sin

Are you saying God created us to choose sin? Would you say that's the same as creating evil?

 

[RDKirk]

Do you hold a compatibilist or hard-deterministic position?


But were agents "free" in the sense that they could choose good or evil whether with or without the knowledge of the consequences?

Once God uttered a command, they were no longer free--there were then moral restraints and consequences that became determinant factors in their choices.

There is no such thing as "'free' in a sense." There is "free" and there is "not free."

 

[RDKirk]

We must ask ourselves what it is that we are set free from when the Son sets us free. Ourselves? Satan? No, we are set free from having to choose sin. We are inclined to sin - servants subject to choose a path that God did not choose for us.

God by His grace gives us a choice of Him as a master...otherwise we have no choice not to be mastered by sin. But that is not a moral liberty.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Evil isn't a separately existing thing. So God didn't create it. But I agree that he created people knowing that they would choose to do evil things.

Yes, so you are saying that by God creating free agents He Himself caused the absence of Good?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Which is why men ought always pray!

If omnibenevolence produces evil, how can we be judged for producing evil?

 

[RDKirk]

Are you saying God created us to choose sin? Would you say that's the same as creating evil?

As Hedrick has said, "evil" is not a thing in itself to be created.

Like darkness is not a created thing. There are no particles from which dark is made. Light is a created thing. We call the condition of the absence of light "darkness," but darkness is not a thing.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Once God uttered a command, they were no longer free--there were then moral restraints and consequences that became determinant factors in their choices.

So in your view freedom only exists with no commands or moral directions; so when God gave a command He took away their freedom and created evil, true?

There is no such thing as "'free' in a sense." There is "free" and there is "not free."

So a person is free if there are no moral commands? Wouldn't this mean that the robot is free and the free agent isn't?

 

[RC1970]

Evil is completely dependent on the good. The word 'evil' is just a way of describing the lack of goodness. Like the word darkness describes the lack of light.

Since God is the source and definition of all goodness, nothing that He does can be evil. Whatever God does, just by His very doing it, makes it good.

So, in whatever respect that a creature is evil, it is in that respect that God has no part. We call that part "Ungodly".

 

[YouAreAwesome]

As Hedrick has said, "evil" is not a thing in itself to be created.

Like darkness is not a created thing. There are no particles from which dark is made. Light is a created thing. We call the condition of the absence of light "darkness," but darkness is not a thing.

What word would you prefer instead of "create"? Produce? Cause?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Evil is completely dependent on the good. The word 'evil' is just a way of describing the lack of goodness. Like the word darkness describes the lack of light.

Since God is the source and definition of all goodness, nothing that He does can be evil. Whatever God does, just by His very doing it, makes it good.

So, in whatever respect that a creature is evil, it is in that respect that God has no part. We call that part "Ungodly".

Did God not know He was causing evil by creating free agents?