Prevenient Grace: What is it?

[guuila]

What is your point please griff?

If it isn't obvious to you then I am pretty sure that nothing I could say would help you understand. So I'll leave it. How do you like that?

 

[guuila]

How am I, with what I have just said, trying to destroy Calvinism?

What sin griff? You have completely lost me.

It has been observed many, many times that the synergists on this forum will tolerate just about any kind of heresy like Pelagianism, Annihilationism, and a flat out denial of the Gospel as long as the person doing so hates Calvinism. All those other things go unchecked.

 

[Hammster]

The word 'heart' is critical is it?

Well, yeah, if you're making a biblical argument.

 

[harrisrose77]

It has been observed many, many times that the synergists on this forum will tolerate just about any kind of heresy like Pelagianism, Annihilationism, and a flat out denial of the Gospel as long as the person doing so hates Calvinism. All those other things go unchecked.

Did I just hear a sounding GONG!?

 

[guuila]

Did I just hear a sounding GONG!?

I'm not sure... could have. You're the one saying hearts have doors.

 

[harrisrose77]

I'm not sure... could have. You're the one saying hearts have doors.

Hearts of stone to a heart of flesh......
The Holy Spirit speaks to our spiritual heart, and that's what Christ means. Ofcourse it is also to the Church.

 

[Hammster]

Hearts of stone to a heart of flesh......
The Holy Spirit speaks to our spiritual heart, and that's what Christ means. Ofcourse it is also to the Church.

You got all of that from the verse?

 

[guuila]

Hearts of stone to a heart of flesh......
The Holy Spirit speaks to our spiritual heart, and that's what Christ means. Ofcourse it is also to the Church.

It's not "also" to the Church. It's ONLY to the Church. That's who he was talking to.

 

[Skala]

Isn't prevenient grace irresistible grace (which has no explicit texts either) that can be resisted?

not sure about the wording, but can you understand the question?

Not exactly.

One is a mere wooing on God's part to try to entice sinners to do the right thing.

The other is God himself actually doing a miraculous, spiritual work in the person so that the blindfold is removed, the heart is changed, the hostility is disarmed, and we are quickened from spiritual death to life. The natural result of this is being willing to repent and believe the gospel.

 

[guuila]

Not exactly.

One is a mere wooing on God's part to try to entice sinners to do the right thing.

The other is God himself actually doing a miraculous, spiritual work in the person so that the blindfold is removed, the heart is changed, the hostility is disarmed, and we are quickened from spiritual death to life. The natural result of this is being willing to repent and believe the gospel.

So awesome. For the life of me I can't understand how a Christian could hate that.

 

[harrisrose77]

It's not "also" to the Church. It's ONLY to the Church. That's who he was talking to.

I think the problem here is spiritual deafness....
The Word is God's written word, but let's not forget that Jesus said He Is the Word made flesh. So perhaps you don't hear the still small voice of the Holy Spirit then....?
Did you not know that the letter of the Word is dead? We are to walk and listen in the Spirit. For the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit. Romans 8:16

 

[Skala]

It has been observed many, many times that the synergists on this forum will tolerate just about any kind of heresy like Pelagianism, Annihilationism, and a flat out denial of the Gospel as long as the person doing so hates Calvinism. All those other things go unchecked.

You can believe anything you want on these forums...except that God saves sinners without fail for His own glory.

 

[Hammster]

I think the problem here is spiritual deafness....
The Word is God's written word, but let's not forget that Jesus said He Is the Word made flesh. So perhaps you don't hear the still small voice of the Holy Spirit then....?
Did you not know that the letter of the Word is dead? We are to walk and listen in the Spirit. For the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit. Romans 8:16

Now you're just throwing a lot of spiritual sounding stuff together.

So we've dealt with Jesus not knocking on the door to our hearts.

The still small voice was audible.

 

[SolaOne]

Not exactly.

One is a mere wooing on God's part to try to entice sinners to do the right thing.

The other is God himself actually doing a miraculous, spiritual work in the person so that the blindfold is removed, the heart is changed, the hostility is disarmed, and we are quickened from spiritual death to life. The natural result of this is being willing to repent and believe the gospel.

Skala, would you say some more about the wooing to TRY to entice sinner to do the right thing? You don't mean the Holy Spirit is trying to entice sinners to believe do you?

 

[Hammster]

Skala, would you say some more about the wooing to TRY to entice sinner to do the right thing? You don't mean the Holy Spirit is trying to entice sinners to believe do you?

I'll jump in and say that no, that's not what he believes. But that's the way a lot of synergists use the word.

 

[SolaOne]

So is the Holy Spirit just wooing people to try to get them to do good things in the earth?

 

[Hammster]

So is the Holy Spirit just wooing people to try to get them to do good things in the earth?

No, I don't think so.

 

[SolaOne]

Okay I guess he will explain what he meant. Thanks.

 

[Hammster]

Okay I guess he will explain what he meant. Thanks.

I tried.

 

[guuila]

perhaps you don't hear the still small voice of the Holy Spirit then....?

Did this voice tell you Rev. 3:20 says that our hearts have doors? If so that's concerning.