Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

[Timtofly]

"Go and measure the temple of God..."
Rev 11: 1


Because nothing else makes sense in the context of the destruction of Jerusalem which is the context of the 11th chapter.

You have yet to prove the temple of God was built by Herod, whom God killed for his wickedness.

I was not going by the words. I was going by the fact it was not the temple you think it is. It is a temple. The temple of God.

 

[3 Resurrections]

You have yet to prove the temple of God was built by Herod, whom God killed for his wickedness.

Jesus still referred to the Temple with Herod's renovations as "My Father's house", even while He was kicking over the tables of the merchants in the Temple, and laying about Him with a whip.

 

[Timtofly]

Correct. Jesus was the Rock that Crushed them.



45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

Whatever timeframe it was, it was cemented to the lifetimes of the Chief Priests and Pharisees to whom Jesus was specifically applying the prophesy.

THEY understood He was speaking about what was going to befall THEM.

Seems we should understand that as well.

The Second Coming is the end of Adam's flesh and blood, ie all humanity. Last time I heard, the whole of humanity did not die in 70AD.

Just a few generations of Jews who claimed the blood of Jesus would be on them and their children.

 

[Timtofly]

There is not even one prophecy about building the third temple in the whole Bible.

Its just a futurists' invention to go around the fact that the events they expect need the physical temple to exist.

Just like Preterist need John to write about it then instead of at the Second Coming in the future.

Revelation 11 is a future prophecy not fulfilled. Not a first century historical record.

 

[keras]

The second temple was destroyed in 70 AD. All those prophets were written long before that. Its just your projection that they had in mind some still non-existent third temple and not the second one.

Obviously you didn't bother to read those scriptures and their context.
Careful reading and study of those prophesies proves they do not refer to the Second Temple.

Nobody will lose any reward just because he is sincerely mistaken. And every one of us is mistaken in something.

Yes. But people who put those wrong beliefs up on forums or teach them in any way, will face a more severe Judgment. James 3:1

Speaking of embarrassing, Time is swiftly runnng out on Futurism.

But there IS still time for all that is Prophesied to happen. Exactly as stated. Bring it on Lord!

And Keras, I promise not to say "I told ya so."

I DON"T promise to not say to you: I told you so!
The people who rejected the plain warnings, WILL be embarrassed, if not worse.

 

[keras]

Jesus still referred to the Temple with Herod's renovations as "My Father's house", even while He was kicking over the tables of the merchants in the Temple, and laying about Him with a whip.

Sure; it was symbolic of the Fathers House.
But the Shekinah Glory of God was never in it. That departed from Solomon's Temple before the Babylonian Conquest. Ezekiel 11:22-23

The new Temple to be built in Jerusalem, by the Christian peoples, will have God's Glory in it, Ezekiel 43:1-5, as well as the Ark and all the ancient implements and furnishings.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus still referred to the Temple with Herod's renovations as "My Father's house", even while He was kicking over the tables of the merchants in the Temple, and laying about Him with a whip.

I think the thought was that it was, not is.

"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

 

[3 Resurrections]

But the Shekinah Glory of God was never in it. That departed from Solomon's Temple before the Babylonian Conquest. Ezekiel 11:22-23

According to 2 Maccabees 1:20-31, the glory of the Lord was present in the second Temple. This Temple was the one built in the post-exilic return by Zerubbabel's hands. God's fire was rekindled on the altar in miraculous fashion under Nehemiah's directing the Temple dedication.

 

[keras]

According to 2 Maccabees 1:20-31, the glory of the Lord was present in the second Temple. This Temple was the one built in the post-exilic return by Zerubbabel's hands. God's fire was rekindled on the altar in miraculous fashion under Nehemiah's directing the Temple dedication.

Holy fire is not the same as God's Shekinah Glory as described by Ezekiel.
What 2 Maccabees says happened, is close to Zoroastrianism. A false Eastern religion which worships an eternal flame.

Zechariah 14:16-21 are quite clear; there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem and Jesus will reign from it.

 

[trophy33]

You have yet to prove the temple of God was built by Herod, whom God killed for his wickedness.

Prove to whom?

The second temple lasted for a total of 585 years (516 BCE to c. 70 CE). Herod the Great made a large reconstruction, yes. I am not sure what you mean by him being killed by God.

I was not going by the words. I was going by the fact it was not the temple you think it is. It is a temple. The temple of God.

You are probably the only person I have ever met with the opinion that the second temple was not the temple of God. All people in the era (Jesus and apostles included) talked and behaved in the way like it was. So the burden of proof is perhaps on you.

 

[trophy33]

Just like Preterist need John to write about it then instead of at the Second Coming in the future.
Revelation 11 is a future prophecy not fulfilled. Not a first century historical record.

There cannot be the real third temple, its theologically impossible in the Christian era. So this view does not make sense. The destruction was final and the theology has changed significantly and forever.

 

[trophy33]

Yes. But people who put those wrong beliefs up on forums or teach them in any way, will face a more severe Judgment. James 3:1

Be careful then, with your futurism that failed so many times in history. Actually the only futurism that was fullfilled was the futurism of the first century. After that every other futurism failed every time.

I personally do not see public forums as teaching. I see it as a public discussion, which is actually its definition. Teacher must have some office of authority.

 

[trophy33]

Obviously you didn't bother to read those scriptures and their context.
Careful reading and study of those prophesies proves they do not refer to the Second Temple.

I bothered when I was a futurist for 20 years. Every prediction I was taught back then failed so far.

How long is a biblical generation? How many years?

 

[parousia70]

But there IS still time for all that is Prophesied to happen. Exactly as stated. Bring it on Lord!

tick tock - tick tock… you can keep moving the goalposts only so far…..you’re running out of stadium.

I DON"T promise to not say to you: I told you so!

And therein lies the difference between you and me and our motivations for why we’re here.

 

[keras]

There cannot be the real third temple, its theologically impossible in the Christian era. So this view does not make sense. The destruction was final and the theology has changed significantly and forever.

Mans theology refutes a new Temple. God; thru His Prophets, tell us there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and in the Millennium.
Isaiah 56:1-8 is just one of many prophesies that proves it.

Actually the only futurism that was fullfilled was the futurism of the first century. After that every other futurism failed every time.

You cannot say that.
There IS still time for all the prophesies like Revelation 6 to 19:10 to take place before Jesus Returns.

How long is a biblical generation? How many years?

Is this in relation to Matthew 24:34?
Your question should be: How long can a person live?
I was alive when Judah, the fig tree; budded and sent forth shoots - into the holy Land, in May 1948.
I expect to see it all.

tick tock - tick tock… you can keep moving the goalposts only so far…..you’re running out of stadium.

All will happen as plainly stated in our Bibles. In God's timing.
If it never will, then the Bible is just pure fiction.

And therein lies the difference between you and me and our motivations for why we’re here.

There will repercussions for those who have ignored, rejected , or twisted God's Word.

 

[trophy33]

God; thru His Prophets, tell us there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and in the Millennium.
Isaiah 56:1-8 is just one of many prophesies that proves it.

There is nothing in Is 56:1-8 specifically about millennium or the third temple. The text is in a prophetic language and those are rarely literal, mainly in Isaiah.

You cannot say that.
There IS still time for all the prophesies like Revelation 6 to 19:10 to take place before Jesus Returns.

But not in one generation. And one generation is the timeframe given by the New Testament.

Is this in relation to Matthew 24:34?
Your question should be: How long can a person live?
I was alive when Judah, the fig tree; budded and sent forth shoots - into the holy Land, in May 1948.
I expect to see it all.

Generation does not equal to a maximal life span of an individual, though. Biblical generation is roughly 40 years. Even futurists in the 20th century knew this number and abandoned it after nothing happened in those years.

All will happen as plainly stated in our Bibles. In God's timing.
If it never will, then the Bible is just pure fiction.

If it already did, then futurism is just pure fiction and Bible is all right. Problem solved.

There will repercussions for those who have ignored, rejected , or twisted God's Word.

I hope you will be forgiven. God's mercy is everlasting.

 

[Gundy22]

C'Mon Man
Praying that each other will be forgiven?
What a bummer of a thread from the get-go - lumping Full Preterism with Partial Preterism and throwing rocks at it as if the two were the same

This is not the only board I go to where Partial Prets are welcome and Fulls are prohibited

 

[Gundy22]

The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum.
No full preterist views.
Partial preterists welcomed

 

[trophy33]

The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum.
No full preterist views.
Partial preterists welcomed

• Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.

To many people this sounds like full preterism.

And even though its welcomed by administrators, the partial preterism is not welcomed by futurists, of course.

 

[parousia70]

All will happen as plainly stated in our Bibles. In God's timing.
If it never will, then the Bible is just pure fiction.

Or, as pointed out above, The Bible, and therefore preterism, is true, and Futurism is fiction.

There will repercussions for those who have ignored, rejected , or twisted God's Word.

The it must be incredibly frustrating to know you don't get to administer them, and indeed, again as pointed out above, you may in fact find yourself on the receiving end.

And again, I'll never say "I told ya so". Which highlights the difference between you and me. My mother taught me better than that.