Predestination

[zoidar]

Isaiah 53 is about the Savior's great love for us (about the suffering He endured because of His love for us)

Saviours love for us? Who us? Some people? We do not yet know whom, right? Does God love my brother or not? Well depends if he is one of the elect, which we never can know for sure ...

 

[zoidar]

Or like som calvinsts say. God loves everyone, the elect with eternal love and other people with common love. Common love? Is that love if you never intented them to be saved at all? You didn't even call them. That's not love. Well God gives them food and shelter ... but not for their sake, but for the sake that all the elect will be saved. How is that love?

 

[Neogaia777]

Hi Neogaia, I'm not quite following your meaning here Biblically, if the Father chooses/draws all w/o exception, then all w/o exception will be saved. If that's not true, then the Lord's didactic teaching in passages like the one below cannot be true either.

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and ... of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day" ~John 6:37-40 (excerpt)
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Yours and His,
David

John 6
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
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I'm gonna let Scripture speak for me...

Romans 9:21, 2 Timothy 2:20-21...