ByHISway,
To answer you, I have first to say to set aside some of the other issues you wove into your question--foreknowledge and the fact that we like to think that we are the masters of our fate. They have nothing to do with the issue. God knows the future; that is not the issue and doesn't cut either for or against predestination. That we like to think that we choose God and not the other way around is something that we find appealing, but it is not necessarily so. It is entirely possible that we become, think, etc. as we are permitted or chosen to do by a higher power.
Now, to turn to your question more directly...
The Bible speaks of God's "Elect" in a number of places. Some people have tried to "finesse" this by saying that the Elect is just a wordfor everyone who decides to follow Christ, sooner or later. However, the Bible describes them as having been chosen by God. In fact, the word itself doesn't make any sense if there is no "election" involved. A candidate doesn't elect himself, does he? Neither does any of us choose salvation. That is done by God; and we know this since Paul teaches that there is nothing of ourselves that contributes to our salvation.
But as for specific verses, I would suggest John 10: 27-29. Here we have Jesus himself describing certain folliower of his as guaranteed not to be lost to him--no falling away at a later time is possible! That is as clear a piece of evidence of the truth of predestination (election) as you need.
Your'e right on with where I was trying to go with this. I just wasn't sure myself at the time.
Chosen elect.
I really don't like that phrase to be honest.
John 10: 16
And the other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
I can see a couple different perceptions of what predestination means, and I can agree to a point. It kind of states both sides.
Bottom line question:
Is there a belief out there that some "spiritual birth right" determines one's ending ......regardless of one's efforts?
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