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Today at 03:41 PM frumanchu said this in Post #320
A good question. Regeneration refers to the changing of man's heart. The will is governed by desire, and man's heart desires to supress God and reject His sovereignty over his life and the universe. As long as a man's heart is thus, he will never seek God. He will never put his faith or trust in Christ. He will never choose because he doesn't want to. Doesn't matter what the situation, he will not choose God. Regeneration occurs when God changes that condition. He removes the effect of sin, replacing the desire to reject God with the desire to accept Him. His will then responds accordingly. Thus, when presented with the gospel, the regenerate man will respond and accept Christ. The result is faith unto salvation.
If any of my Reformed bretheren see error here, please speak up! I've been trying for awhile now to put such things into plain words and I'm afraid of mistating something in error.
Does this help, bird?
Today at 02:35 PM bird said this in Post #317
the bible tells us how to know the saved? you then seem to define "saved" as having come from repentance and confession, yet in other posts you have implied that jesus is the one who saves us. so which is it? is it my repentance and confession that saves me? or is it jesus? i agree that jesus spoke of signs and how we will know his disciples...."a new command i give you: love one another. as i have loved you, so you must love one another. by this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (john 13:34-35)
bird
Yesterday at 03:45 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #301
"...the master pay for slaves that will never choose him." What is wrong with this? Jesus died for all. Not all will choose Him. Not all will be saved, not because Christ did not give them the way, but because they did not accept His way. I do not see the problem in the logic.
You say that scripture indicates that salvation was complete at the cross. I do not agree. I agree that in some senses, salvation had been prepared for us, but I think it would be beneficial if you showed how you think scripture indicates that. If you mean the phrase "it is finished", then you have already indicated that and we disagree. If it is different scripture, then show it. One scripture that comes to mind for me is, Phillipians 2:12. It says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". That does not indicate that their salvation was already in place when Christ died. At least that is how I can see reasonable to interpret.
I agree, its good to discuss these things, as long as we remember that we are children of God and we aren't to let issues like this get between us. God bless.
Today at 08:41 PM frumanchu said this in Post #320
A good question. Regeneration refers to the changing of man's heart. The will is governed by desire, and man's heart desires to supress God and reject His sovereignty over his life and the universe. As long as a man's heart is thus, he will never seek God. He will never put his faith or trust in Christ. He will never choose because he doesn't want to. Doesn't matter what the situation, he will not choose God. Regeneration occurs when God changes that condition. He removes the effect of sin, replacing the desire to reject God with the desire to accept Him. His will then responds accordingly. Thus, when presented with the gospel, the regenerate man will respond and accept Christ. The result is faith unto salvation.
If any of my Reformed bretheren see error here, please speak up! I've been trying for awhile now to put such things into plain words and I'm afraid of mistating something in error.
Does this help, bird?
Yesterday at 04:45 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #301
, Phillipians 2:12. It says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". That does not indicate that their salvation was already in place when Christ died. At least that is how I can see reasonable to interpret.
Today at 04:33 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #325
What do you mean by this? You will have to further explain the question before I could give you the answer that you want.
Today at 04:26 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #324
Basically, it seems rather irrelevant in your walk with Christ whether you believe in predestination or not. Either way, you need to put on Christ. If you do, then the calvinist will say that you were chosen before you did that and it was meant to be. The non-calvinist will say that you chose Christ and could have denied Him. Either way choosing Christ is a guarantee of salvation.
Today at 05:26 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #324
Basically, it seems rather irrelevant in your walk with Christ whether you believe in predestination or not. Either way, you need to put on Christ. If you do, then the calvinist will say that you were chosen before you did that and it was meant to be. The non-calvinist will say that you chose Christ and could have denied Him. Either way choosing Christ is a guarantee of salvation.
Today at 05:52 PM CCWoody said this in Post #329
Is it?:Didn't all of these people think that they had chosen Christ?
- I Never Knew You
"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.
Today at 08:51 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #322
God wants his kids to know their family. He has told us how we can know each other ..
We are save by grace through failth ..But He would not have us ignorant . He does not want us out fellowshipping with the unsaved or cults..
bird how can we love one an other if we do not use discernment to know who the "others" are.
We are not to be unequally yoked ..the light has no fellowship with the darkness..
Today at 03:51 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #322
God wants his kids to know their family. He has told us how we can know each other ..
We are save by grace through failth ..But He would not have us ignorant . He does not want us out fellowshipping with the unsaved or cults..
bird how can we love one an other if we do not use discernment to know who the "others" are.
We are not to be unequally yoked ..the light has no fellowship with the darkness..
Today at 05:09 PM Aaron11 said this in Post #331
I think you are mistaken in your interpretation of my thought. I do not think that it is our works that saves us. I believe that it is because of Christ that some will recieve salvation. I definetly do not think Christ did anything in vain. I know that Christ saves us. Reading the scriptures and living life, I realize that we have the choice to follow Christ or not. I think that it is very misrepresentative of my thought to say that I think Christ did nothing.
Today at 05:52 PM CCWoody said this in Post #329
Is it?:Didn't all of these people think that they had chosen Christ?
- I Never Knew You
"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.
Today at 09:48 PM CCWoody said this in Post #336
"I definetly do not think Christ did anything in vain."
Well, except when He died with the expressed purpose of redeeming all of the people who will be burning forever in the Lake of Fire. I'd call that pretty vain.
Don't you?
Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.
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