Popes new 10 commandments about climate change

[ViaCrucis]

The point was this thread is about the '10 commandments of climate change' and the giving of those on the supposed Mt. Sinai.

The Georgia guidestones 'were' the New (age)10 commandments.
These are very similar to what I see this conference is all about.

GEORGIA GUIDE STONE COMMANDMENTS

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely—improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule Passion—Faith—Tradition—and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth—beauty—love—seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth—Leave room for nature—Leave room for nature.

Interpreted as

1. We must massively reduce the earth’s population in harmony with “Mother Earth.”
2. We must manage the remaining people’s ability to reproduce, creating a pseudo- evolutionary system of survival of the fittest.
3. Turn back God’s order of man to pre-Tower of Babel times.
4. Tolerance must rule, even over truth.
5. All humanity must come under a system of international law. International law means world management via a supranational authority.
6. Each nation is accountable to the dictates of a world law authority. Sovereignty, in its presently understood form, would no longer exist.
7. As seen as still on the old books
   
8. Mankind will be subject to the group’s concept of social responsibility, whatever that may be.
9. Those alive in this new order are to see God alive in all things—plants, rocks, animals, space, water, fire, air, and people. The idea is simple: God is in all because God is all. You too are therefore a god.
10. Humanity must recognize its secondary place in “creation.” Nature, embodied as a “god,” comes first.

Do you not see the correlation?

Again, from what I have heard/read, the Georgia Guidestones were a product of a single crazy white supremacist. It has nothing to do with being environmentally responsible. Your interpretation seems to be something you've just made up.

And as far as the subject of this thread about a "new 10 commandments", I've yet to see any evidence to back that up.

Nothing presented in this thread convinces me that anything more is happening than that there is a conference on climate change in Egypt. And that's not something that worries me, because why would it?

-CryptoLutheran

 

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[Lulav]

Why would it be mutually exclusive, especially when Scripture plainly teaches that we receive and partake of Christ's body and blood in His Supper (1 Corinthians 10:16).

I follow what Jesus said about it, that it was to be done at Passover since that was what the meaning of Passover meant, the spotless lamb of God and it was to be remembered once a year for a week.


I asked "If it has nothing to do with the sun but only the son, then what are the rays emanating outward from it?"
And you posted

Malachi 4:2
John 8:12
Hebrews 1:3

Malachi 4:2 For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

So you are saying that the monstrance is a Sun then, right?

I would have though you would have picked a verse like Psalms 84:11

11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.​

In the Nicene Creed we confess of the Lord Jesus Christ that He is "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God".

So that light you believe is the light of the Sun?

Why would you leap to accusations of sun worship when there is solid biblical and confessional theology to explain the use of certain symbols in Christianity? Why assume that your brothers and sisters in Christ are off engaging in rampant paganism when they are simply believing and confessing the same Jesus Christ as you?

-CryptoLutheran

I was not making any accusation nor assuming anyone here was dabbling in paganism. I was using the sign given by the conference and trying to make sense of it. If it is not the Sun that is being venerated then why the symbolism of the sun looking like a monstrance for their logo?

 

[Valletta]

I was not making any accusation nor assuming anyone here was dabbling in paganism.

False. Here is what you previously said:

Yep, that conference is outwardly promoting Sun worship which isn't anything new for the RCC. Just look at the Monstrance??

 

[Lulav]

I'd say it's a sun rising over the horizon with the Nile River delta. Representing Egypt, because the conference is being held in Egypt.

Which has nothing to do with sun worship or with a Catholic monstrance.

-CryptoLutheran

OK so you see the upper half as the rays of the sun but the lower half representing the 'arms' of the delta?

Did you see the photo of Pharaoh Akenaten with Nefertiti with the sun's 'rays' beating down on them like hands, just like the lower half of the logo above?

So your perspective is that the reason it's used is because the conference is being held in Egypt, not that it's about the sun?

 

[Lulav]

False. Here is what you previously said:

No comment on the scriptures I posted?
How about quoting me in full?

I was not making any accusation nor assuming anyone here was dabbling in paganism. I was using the sign given by the conference and trying to make sense of it. If it is not the Sun that is being venerated then why the symbolism of the sun looking like a monstrance for their logo?

If I may ask, do you believe in a separation of an institution and those associated with it or in guilt by association?

 

[ViaCrucis]

OK so you see the upper half as the rays of the sun but the lower half representing the 'arms' of the delta?

Did you see the photo of Pharaoh Akenaten with Nefertiti with the sun's 'rays' beating down on them like hands, just like the lower half of the logo above?

So your perspective is that the reason it's used is because the conference is being held in Egypt, not that it's about the sun?

That's what it looked like to me. Yes. I have no reason to assume it has anything to do with the beliefs of a long dead Pharoah which nobody believes anymore.

Why would you make that leap in assumption? Just because you found a picture that looks kinda-sorta similar?


-CryptoLutheran

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That's probably after making all of those Horcruxes of himself, the Pope thinks everyone carries around a wand with them, lol

So you yourself know what the Pope thinks eh?.

 

[Valletta]

No comment on the scriptures I posted?
How about quoting me in full?



If I may ask, do you believe in a separation of an institution and those associated with it or in guilt by association?

Institution? What I think about any institution is very much an off topic question. I was just amazed that you claimed that you were not "making any accusation nor assuming anyone here was dabbling in paganism" but had previously claimed:

Yep, that conference is outwardly promoting Sun worship which isn't anything new for the RCC.

 

[Lulav]

That's what it looked like to me. Yes. I have no reason to assume it has anything to do with the beliefs of a long dead Pharoah which nobody believes anymore.

Why would you make that leap in assumption? Just because you found a picture that looks kinda-sorta similar?


-CryptoLutheran

I wasn't talking about his beliefs but that could be discussed. I'm not sure what you mean about a 'Pharaoh that nobody believes anymore'?

that's no leap and really not an assumption. I didn't just find a picture. I've studied Ancient Egypt for many years and this Pharaoh (who was the father of Tutankhamen) had many pictorials done and became the first monotheistic Pharaoh (and probably the last) over Egypt. I recognized the 'hand rays' immediately on the conferences logo.

Hardly kinda-sorta similar?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I wasn't talking about his beliefs but that could be discussed. I'm not sure what you mean about a 'Pharaoh that nobody believes anymore'?

that's no leap and really not an assumption. I didn't just find a picture. I've studied Ancient Egypt for many years and this Pharaoh (who was the father of Tutankhamen) had many pictorials done and became the first monotheistic Pharaoh (and probably the last) over Egypt. I recognized the 'hand rays' immediately on the conferences logo.

View attachment 323381 View attachment 323382 Hardly kinda-sorta similar?

It's a leap to assume that Atenism has anything to do with a climate conference. Atenism died after the death of Akhenaten when the traditional Egyptian religion was restored. That's what I mean when I say the beliefs of a Pharaoh that nobody believes anymore. There isn't some secret cabal of sun worshipers out there trying to conspire to do shady things through a United Nations conference on climate change.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Lulav]

It's a leap to assume that Atenism has anything to do with a climate conference. Atenism died after the death of Akhenaten when the traditional Egyptian religion was restored. That's what I mean when I say the beliefs of a Pharaoh that nobody believes anymore. There isn't some secret cabal of sun worshipers out there trying to conspire to do shady things through a United Nations conference on climate change.

-CryptoLutheran

Not much of one I'm afraid. I did a search on the logo for this conference.

The official logo for the United Nations Conference of Parties on Climate Change


CAIRO - 12 May 2022: Egypt unveiled the logo for the 27th session of the Conference of Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (COP 27) due to convene in November in Sharm El-Sheikh.

The logo mixes the African and Egyptian cultural identities. It depicts the African sun embracing the Sun of Aten, whose rays shine on a new horizon, announced the Egyptian Ministry in a statement on Wednesday.
Aten is a sun god worshiped during the era of Pharaonic King Akhenaten.

The ministry added that the sun is the source of life and a sign of hope, and one of the well-established symbols in the African culture. Sun rays extending over the horizon symbolize the renewal of hope for a better world.
“Its rays also symbolize the energy needed to sustain life. Meanwhile, the sun of Aten, with its rays ending with hands, expresses the generosity of nature that gives us means of living, luxury and prosperity. In the middle, a new horizon stretches to express hope for a better future,” the ministry said.

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From Egypttoday.com

 

[Valletta]

You already revealed your anti-Catholicism (although you later denied it) when you said :

"that conference is outwardly promoting Sun worship which isn't anything new for the RCC."

So whether consciously or subconsciously, with you actually believing such an outlandish claim, it seems that you will find just about anything you can to ascribe some kind of paganism to Catholics. You've gone far beyond a stretch, that's why this thread has been placed in conspiracy theories.. I would bet that you yourself use symbols with pagan origins, and that many of your religious practices are nowhere found in the Bible. Did you know that the word "Christian" was first used by pagans? Did you know that the cross was a pagan symbol, do you think that Jesus and you as a follower of Jesus thus promote paganism? I wouldn't even think of accusing you of such a thing. Rather than try to find fault with others, following the anti-Catholicism which you have been taught, I suggest one thing you can learn from Catholics is to focus more on prayer and a personal relationship with Jesus.

 

[Br4nd0n]

Do you have any actual evidence to support this claim?

-CryptoLutheran

Im not claiming anything. I shared a video and asked for your thoughts. What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Lulav]

Institution? What I think about any institution is very much an off topic question. I was just amazed that you claimed that you were not "making any accusation nor assuming anyone here was dabbling in paganism" but had previously claimed:

The comment about an institution was referring to the RCC. I was asking you if you felt attached or responsible for all they have done, as an institution. Do you see a separation between the institution and it's beliefs? Do you for instance regard everything they do and have done to be correct over the years? Such as, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the substantiated claims of child abuse and pedophilia?

 

[Lulav]

You already revealed your anti-Catholicism (although you later denied it) when you said :

"that conference is outwardly promoting Sun worship which isn't anything new for the RCC."

So whether consciously or subconsciously, with you actually believing such an outlandish claim, it seems that you will find just about anything you can to ascribe some kind of paganism to Catholics. You've gone far beyond a stretch, that's why this thread has been placed in conspiracy theories.. I would bet that you yourself use symbols with pagan origins, and that many of your religious practices are nowhere found in the Bible. Did you know that the word "Christian" was first used by pagans? Did you know that the cross was a pagan symbol, do you think that Jesus and you as a follower of Jesus thus promote paganism? I wouldn't even think of accusing you of such a thing. Rather than try to find fault with others, following the anti-Catholicism which you have been taught, I suggest one thing you can learn from Catholics is to focus more on prayer and a personal relationship with Jesus.

So you are choosing to ignore my research on the logo which I claimed from the beginning of this discussion, which confers exactly what I was saying about that symbol and instead return to accusations about me.

As far as what I do, now that you're making this personal which I claimed I was not accusing anyone here of doing I will say to you that.

1. I don't believe that the word 'Christian' refers to my beliefs. I do know where it was first used and it wasn't by the disciples of Jesus. They were referred to as 'The Way' and were considered another sect of Judaism.
2. The Cross - I don't own or use that symbol, why would I? It's a symbol of death, but My God is all about Life. I don't promote death, instead I follow what Moses said, choose life!
3. 'My religious practices' include keeping the appointed times with my King, keeping the Sabbath, Passover, First Fruits, Shavuot (Pentecost- where Jewish men from all over the known world came to believe in the Messiah), Yom Terruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot as well as the New Moon.

Rather than try to find fault with others, following the anti-Catholicism which you have been taught, I suggest one thing you can learn from Catholics is to focus more on prayer and a personal relationship with Jesus.
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You say you wouldn't think of accusing me of 'such a thing' yet you posted things you believe about me which are false, including being 'taught' anti-Catholism. I haven't been taught any such thing, in fact I do lots of reading, research but everything is held up to the Bible

So I guess you don't really know of what you accuse me of.

 

[Valletta]

So you are choosing to ignore my research on the logo which I claimed from the beginning of this discussion, which confers exactly what I was saying about that symbol and instead return to accusations about me.

As far as what I do, now that you're making this personal which I claimed I was not accusing anyone here of doing I will say to you that.

1. I don't believe that the word 'Christian' refers to my beliefs. I do know where it was first used and it wasn't by the disciples of Jesus. They were referred to as 'The Way' and were considered another sect of Judaism.
2. The Cross - I don't own or use that symbol, why would I? It's a symbol of death, but My God is all about Life. I don't promote death, instead I follow what Moses said, choose life!
3. 'My religious practices' include keeping the appointed times with my King, keeping the Sabbath, Passover, First Fruits, Shavuot (Pentecost- where Jewish men from all over the known world came to believe in the Messiah), Yom Terruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot as well as the New Moon.

Rather than try to find fault with others, following the anti-Catholicism which you have been taught, I suggest one thing you can learn from Catholics is to focus more on prayer and a personal relationship with Jesus.
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You say you wouldn't think of accusing me of 'such a thing' yet you posted things you believe about me which are false, including being 'taught' anti-Catholism. I haven't been taught any such thing, in fact I do lots of reading, research but everything is held up to the Bible

So I guess you don't really know of what you accuse me of.

You were horribly misinformed about the Catholic Church promoting sun worship in the past, and also in this case,when you said ""that conference is outwardly promoting Sun worship which isn't anything new for the RCC." Our Church is called the "Catholic Church" by the way. Now one nice thing is that the teachings of the Catholic Church are well expressed in the Catholic Catechism. out there for all Catholics and non-Catholics to see.
I strongly recommend you start with reading the entire Catholic Catechism of the Catholic Church before even considering making such accusation.
Does that seem fair?

 

[Lulav]

I'll have to think on that one, I've just recently been called to remembrance that the Catholic Queen Mary had my ggggggggggUncle burned at the Stake. ... For putting Bibles in the churches. Allowing the people to understand and have access to the Word of God.

 

[Lulav]

I strongly recommend you start with reading the entire Catholic Catechism of the Catholic Church before even considering making such accusation.
Does that seem fair?

What good would that do? We have a constitution in the US, doesn't mean it's followed.

It's what you do, not what you say or teach.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What good would that do? We have a constitution in the US, doesn't mean it's followed.

It's what you do, not what you say or teach.

But the Catechism of the Catholic Church is what the Church actually teaches, not what some anti-Catholic has told you.

Go here; Catechism of the Catholic Church

Just because there are some members that ignore the teachings of the Church, doesn't mean the teachings are
wrong.


We don't throw out the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution because there are those
who still murder and steal.