Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[OphidiaPhile]

Whatever you like to believe. More power to you. No point in speaking with you either because you are clearly far superior in all things to all people.

It is what science believes, why do you always discount science?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

You have your god and I have my God. We will leave it at that.

But science is what is actually taught in school and creationism is not.

And if you already did not know this I have no deity whatsoever.

 

[bsd13]

You are pretty funny.

Good then. So you don't want the government's hands in the regulation of marriage. I will expect then, that from now on you will not be preaching against the wiles of gay marriage, but if anything at all, government issued marriage licenses and the regulation of marriage by the government for ANYONE.

So you agree with the pope. Great. I don't care, because I'm not Catholic (any longer, I was raised so until age 13). It still doesn't negate the fact that I think he's a dark age db. Once common sense wins out over hype, drama and propaganda driven by the religious right, I eventually will be able to be wed by pagan handfasting, or married in an open and affirming church of my choice.

1) I don't agree with the pope at all. I agree with the Bible.

2) "open and affirming church" - That's what it's really all about isn't it? Finding affirmation for who you are from someone, somewhere. Lot of people; gay, straight and uncertain, want to be affirmed. I'll take it a step further and say we ALL want to be affirmed.

(2 Timothy 4:3-4)
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

3) You've rejected the living God's love and mercy. Turned away from His grace. Always remember you rejected Him, not He you.

 

[TheBear]

Would it satisfy you had he listed off every sexual aberration of mankind?

This has nothing to do with me, remember? This has to do with a world religious leader making strong statements against what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but practically remains silent regarding pedophilia - something that doesn't involve two consenting adults.

There is a major disconnect going on.

 

[Braunwyn]

This has nothing to do with me, remember? This has to do with a world religious leader making strong statements against what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but practically remains silent regarding pedophilia - something that doesn't involve two consenting adults.

There is a major disconnect going on.

Given the scandels within the church, that doesn't look too good.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

1) I don't agree with the pope at all. I agree with the Bible.

Whatever. I don't go to your church nor do I plan to. So you have no concern over my marriage and I should have no worry that you're going to try to control mine, right?

2) "open and affirming church" - That's what it's really all about isn't it? Finding affirmation for who you are from someone, somewhere. Lot of people; gay, straight and uncertain, want to be affirmed. I'll take it a step further and say we ALL want to be affirmed.

Whatever you want to call it and however you want to apply it I suppose. "Open and affirming" is a term officially used by the UCC. I prefer to say "LGBT friendly."

3) You've rejected the living God's love and mercy. Turned away from His grace. Always remember you rejected Him, not He you.

No, I've turned away from literal and false interpretation of a book. I still believe in God.

 

[bsd13]

Whatever. I don't go to your church nor do I plan to. So you have no concern over my marriage and I should have no worry that you're going to try to control mine, right?

Whatever you want to call it and however you want to apply it I suppose. "Open and affirming" is a term officially used by the UCC. I prefer to say "LGBT friendly."

No, I've turned away from literal and false interpretation of a book. I still believe in God.

If that doesn't define "itching ear syndrome" I don't know what does.

It probably sounds something like this -

'I didn't like what the book said so I found someone who would share it in a way I liked.'

Ok, more power to you.

 

[bsd13]

This has nothing to do with me, remember? This has to do with a world religious leader making strong statements against what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, but practically remains silent regarding pedophilia - something that doesn't involve two consenting adults.

There is a major disconnect going on.

So the answer is yes. It would make it better for you if he had listed all the sexual aberrations of mankind off and not just singled out a couple.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

If that doesn't define "itching ear syndrome" I don't know what does.

It probably sounds something like this -

'I didn't like what the book said so I found someone who would share it in a way I liked.'

Ok, more power to you.

However you want to slice it, man. You can think whatever you want of me. Just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. You keep your nose outta my life (including my marriage) and I'll keep mine outta yours.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

So the answer is yes. It would make it better for you if he had listed all the sexual aberrations of mankind off and not just singled out a couple.

It would not do anything for me other that affirm that the pope has lost his mind.

 

[TheBear]

So the answer is yes. It would make it better for you if he had listed all the sexual aberrations of mankind off and not just singled out a couple.

Why are you intentionally trying to make things personal? Didn't we have this discussion already, and didn't you agree to address the topic and not the person?

We're talking about what the Pope pronounced, and what the Pope remains silent on. If you insist on making things personal, then I consider you a liar and someone who can't be trusted at their word.

 

[bsd13]

However you want to slice it, man. You can think whatever you want of me. Just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. You keep your nose outta my life (including my marriage) and I'll keep mine outta yours.

That's a given.

 

[Braunwyn]

That's a given.

It's a given that she will keep her nose out of yours. It would be nice if you would do the same. That's simple enough.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

That's a given.

So you want her to keep out of your life but not vice versa, got it.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

That's a given.

Does it make you feel better to not simply agree on something? You have this innate need to be a condescending, snarky wise-ass, to make it out like you somehow won this debate even though it seems we've come to be in agreement? Or is it that you feel you have the right to interfere in my life and I do not in yours, but are too much of a coward to come right out and say it?

 

[bsd13]

Why are you intentionally trying to make things personal? Didn't we have this discussion already, and didn't you agree to address the topic and not the person?

Let's refresh your memory. YOU brought up the fact that the pope didn't mention pedophilia but mentioned homosexuals. That fact bothered YOU enough to bring it up. I asked if it would be better if he had brought up all sexual aberrations since it seemed to bother you that he hadn't brought up pedophilia.

And now I've managed to not address the topic and turned it personal?

We're talking about what the Pope pronounced, and what the Pope remains silent on. If you insist on making things personal, then I consider you a liar and someone who can't be trusted at their word.

Note to self: *Any use of the word "you" or any question directed towards "TheBear" is a clear indication of an unwanted desire to "get personal". If you expect to engage "TheBear" in any dialogue AVOID anything that can be misconstrued as personal*

 

[Garyzenuf]

Would it satisfy you had he listed off every sexual aberration of mankind?

He didn't list any sexual abberations.

*

 

[quatona]

Herr Ratzinger is entitled to his personal opinion just like everybody else is, and that´s that.

 

[TheBear]

Let's refresh your memory. YOU brought up the fact that the pope didn't mention pedophilia but mentioned homosexuals. That fact bothered YOU enough to bring it up. I asked if it would be better if he had brought up all sexual aberrations since it seemed to bother you that he hadn't brought up pedophilia.

And now I've managed to not address the topic and turned it personal?



Note to self: *Any use of the word "you" or any question directed towards "TheBear" is a clear indication of a unwanted desire to "get personal". If you expect to engage "TheBear" in any dialogue AVOID anything that can be misconstrued as personal*

Nice try, slick. But everyone who is reading this can see right through your distortions and twisting of what transpired. As another member pointed out, it's all there in black and white.

And even though every single one of us participating in these threads are discussing from our own viewpoints, (including yourself), the focus of this discussion is what the Pope stated, not on the persons involved in the discussion. This thread is not about me, is not focused on my personal feelings, and the thread title and topic isn't - "TheBear's personal reactions to the Pope's remarks."

I'm sure you'll distort these remarks as well, and come up with all kinds of excuses and tap dancing in order to save face. Fact of the matter is, for the rest of us reading this, all you'll be doing is digging yourself deeper into the hole. You would get a lot more respect if you merely admitted what you've done and apologized for it. I don't see that coming any time soon. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll soon see.



Note to the seekers here, who are honestly considering Christianity -

A lot of Christians don't behave the way this particular Christian has been acting. I'm sure he's a total embarrassment to other Christians. But I wanted to point out the fact that just because someone is a Christian, doesn't automatically mean they take the moral high road.

 

[b&wpac4]

Note to the seekers here, who are honestly considering Christianity -

A lot of Christians don't behave the way this particular Christian has been acting. I'm sure he's an total embarrassment to other Christians. But I wanted to point out the fact that just because someone is a Christian, doesn't automatically mean they take the moral high road.

Most Christians I encounter are good people. Truth be told, the reason I get so upset with the kinds you have described Bear, is because I used to be exactly that way. I would attack people using The Bible, stripping out whatever verse I wanted to try to force my views on them and then standing back incredulously when they would fight back and try to force their views on me.

Can you make a case that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin? Yes, I think that's quite clear. But I cannot understand why the huge attack on that sin, and almost no attack on other sins. Why are you not trying to make premarital sex a crime? Why do you feel you have some sort of divine mandate to force others to follow your code, when the only theocracy in the Bible is the country of Israel, which we are not.

You want your churches left alone, but you want to be able to impose your views. It doesn't work that way. All you should do is live your life as unto the Lord, you can't force others to do the same.

"I don't want the government involved in my church but there should be mandatory prayer in school." That view is just stupid, and it is one I held for a long time. That one and a thousand other ones just like it.