Pope, King of the world?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am trying.

But I am responding to 4 people at once and cannot keep up with the posts. It took me several hours yesterday to find the sources. I am searching in between posts and even though ActionJack is fast, I am not that fast.

I did find one of the sources and you should like it because it is a open debate:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/envoy.htm

More coming...

BUT I like the thread, so please keep it open so long as people are discussing and learning.

When is the RCC going to study Revelation more deeply to avoid this "stigma" ehehe...

Fiction 5
The pope is the beast spoken of in Revelation 13. Verse 1 says that he wears crowns and has "blasphemous names" written on his head. Verse 18 says that the numerical value of his name adds up to 666. The pope's official title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar Son of God). If you add that up using Roman numerals, you get 666. The pope's tiara is emblazoned with this title, formed by diamonds and other jewels.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7263824
Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better?

 

[&Abel]

When is the RCC going to study Revelation more deeply to avoid this "stigma" ehehe...

Fiction 5
The pope is the beast spoken of in Revelation 13. Verse 1 says that he wears crowns and has "blasphemous names" written on his head. Verse 18 says that the numerical value of his name adds up to 666. The pope's official title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar Son of God). If you add that up using Roman numerals, you get 666. The pope's tiara is emblazoned with this title, formed by diamonds and other jewels.

Vicarius Filii Dei = 990

what do you mean using roman numerals?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

regardless of whether the pope is involved or not the world is being headed by the russian federation into a globalized system

the russian president talks about changing the laws and globalization in almost every speech he gives and hes been meeting with all the world leaders and expressed anger(as well as the russian ppl) with the US

Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev

On the Runet, Medvedev is sometimes associated with the Medved meme, linked to padonki slang, which resulted in many ironical and satirical writings and cartoons that blend Medvedev with a bear. (The word medved means "bear" in Russian and the surname "Medvedev" is a patronymic which means "bear's son").

DAM Bear's son = 666

and if you flip the e's in medvedev its 666

hes also incredibly popular, charming and intelligent and has links to satanic literature, music and many other details as well

First, I find the 666 stuff to be pointless and find where it convicts the innocent. I do not play with things like that since they are marginally numerology and that is like divining and so it is like magic or evil to me which I believe invites demons into one's life.

Secondly, Jesus is King of all and so I trust in Him.

The world is heading on a course God already knows the end of. So I remind you of scripture that states we should not trouble ourselves with tomorrow because today is plenty enough. Also, if the righteous man sins at least 7 times a day then the rest of us who are not fully righteous should pay particular attention to ourselves in the now and avoid sin.

Too much to contend with in my little corner of the world then to worry about such things...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I'll look at it. But what about this?

"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold
of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they
be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His
personal representative on earth."
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on
November 4, 1958).

Sounds like the Pope wants to be everything. He also wants to play the role of the Holy Spirit. The center of attraction. The only way to heaven? And you take this lightly?

Ask me again once you viewed my link. Let us be fair with each other.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

When is the RCC going to study Revelation more deeply to avoid this "stigma" ehehe...

Fiction 5
The pope is the beast spoken of in Revelation 13. Verse 1 says that he wears crowns and has "blasphemous names" written on his head. Verse 18 says that the numerical value of his name adds up to 666. The pope's official title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar Son of God). If you add that up using Roman numerals, you get 666. The pope's tiara is emblazoned with this title, formed by diamonds and other jewels.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7263824
Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better?

Remember the OT where the Egyptian leader had dreams and no one could understand them?

Of course you.

We have no Joseph to tell us what John's dreams meant. Maybe one day we will have that person that God speaks to and reveals all that Revelations was meant to tell us? Or maybe it was merely about the Eucharist. Who knows?

I see the Eucharist in Revelations and when the Priest consecrates the bread and wine I hear their words. That is enough for me.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Vicarius Filii Dei = 990

what do you mean using roman numerals?

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/envoy.htm

 

[&Abel]

First, I find the 666 stuff to be pointless and find where it convicts the innocent. I do not play with things like that since they are marginally numerology and that is like divining and so it is like magic or evil to me which I believe invites demons into one's life.

Secondly, Jesus is King of all and so I trust in Him.

The world is heading on a course God already knows the end of. So I remind you of scripture that states we should not trouble ourselves with tomorrow because today is plenty enough. Also, if the righteous man sins at least 7 times a day then the rest of us who are not fully righteous should pay particular attention to ourselves in the now and avoid sin.

Too much to contend with in my little corner of the world then to worry about such things...

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

careful that what is coming doesn't overtake you like a thief

 

[spiritman]

Vicarius Filii Dei = 990

what do you mean using roman numerals?

Explanation here:
http://www.revealed.org/vicarius.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Vicarius Filii Dei = 990

what do you mean using roman numerals?

That came from the site not me.......Here is that verse and I will show how they are shown in 5 of the greek texts.

What is interesting is the W-H and Alexandrian have it written out, but the T-R and B-Maj have just letters.
Interesting.

Reve 13:18 Here the Wisdom is the one having Mind let him calculate the number of the wild-beast/N for of man it is and the number of it six hundred sixty six.

http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B66C013.htm

Reve 13:18

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
wde h sofia estin o ecwn ton noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou cxs

Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
wde h sofia estin o ecwn ton noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou cxs

Byzantine Majority
wde h sofia estin o ecwn noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin [kai] o ariqmoV autou [estin] cxs

Alexandrian
wde h sofia estin o ecwn noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou exakosioi exhkonta ex

Hort and Westcott
wde h sofia estin o ecwn noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou exakosioi exhkonta ex

 

[spiritman]

Vicarius Filii Dei = 990

what do you mean using roman numerals?

This may be better.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/666.htm

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I am trying.

But I am responding to 4 people at once and cannot keep up with the posts. It took me several hours yesterday to find the sources. I am searching in between posts and even though ActionJack is fast, I am not that fast.

I did find one of the sources and you should like it because it is a open debate:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/envoy.htm

More coming...

BUT I like the thread, so please keep it open so long as people are discussing and learning.

Here is more:
http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/vicarius.html

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

careful that what is coming doesn't overtake you like a thief

You are reading a prophetic dream and unless you have God speaking to you as Joseph did then your analogy is as worthwhile as any one elses, and that is very little since only God knows what is meant by 666.

Remember that numbers can be used many different ways. For instance 6 is the number before 7 and 7 is seen as a number that denotes competion so that makes 6 incomplete or not made holy in some cases. In the old language they had no way fo saying good, better and best so they would say the word once for good and twice for better and three times for best or the greatest. So it is widely understood that 666 is the most unholy. But it is a prophetic dream... that should be the main thing on our mind when we read such and be humble enough to know that no one here has God speaking to them telling what the dream meant.

 

[simonthezealot]

I am trying.

But I am responding to 4 people at once and cannot keep up with the posts. It took me several hours yesterday to find the sources. I am searching in between posts and even though ActionJack is fast, I am not that fast.

I did find one of the sources and you should like it because it is a open debate:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/envoy.htm

More coming...

BUT I like the thread, so please keep it open so long as people are discussing and learning.

Envoy?? really Jack? the likes of Sippo,Madrid and gnrhead I forget his name william something. ...Please... And from what I could tell the article it was a page made for ripping sda Mike Scheiffler... Couldn't see translation stuff being dealt with in regards to what I posted.
Envoy has some of the most cantankorous apologist out there...

 

[&Abel]

considering the fact that death does not gain control of the church I find it incredibly impossible to believe that the pope would be the anti christ(who is basically death incarnate)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here is more:
http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/vicarius.html

Nah, the best source is the Bible itself Could 666 be symbolizing "Flesh"?

Zechariah 2:13 Be-hushed! All of flesh from faces of YHWH, that He is roused from habitation of holiness of Him. [Luke 3:6/Reve 8:1]

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing/oyetai <3700> (5695) All flesh the Salvation of the God. [Gene 6:13/Reve 11:18, 19:17]

Reve 1:7 Behold! He is coming with the clouds and shall be seeing/oyetai <3700> (5695) Him every eye even who-any Him they pierce and shall be wailing over Him all the Tribes of the land yea amen.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

This may be better.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/666.htm

Ever read this:

Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin: Vicar or Representative of the Son of God) is a phrase used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter. It also features in the argument put forth by some Protestant groups who identify the phrase with the "number of the beast" (666) from the book of Revelation and subsequently the Pope with Antichrist, based on the counting method (gematria) of Roman numerals.
There is a papal title in existence that means the same: "Vicarius Iesu Christi" or Vicar of Christ. This title as it is used does not fit the system that calculates 666 out of the Latin words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarius_Filii_Dei

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Nah, the best source is the Bible itself Could 666 be symbolizing "Flesh"?

Zechariah 2:13 Be-hushed! All of flesh from faces of YHWH, that He is roused from habitation of holiness of Him. [Luke 3:6/Reve 8:1]

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing/oyetai <3700> (5695) All flesh the Salvation of the God. [Gene 6:13/Reve 11:18, 19:17]

Reve 1:7 Behold! He is coming with the clouds and shall be seeing/oyetai <3700> (5695) Him every eye even who-any Him they pierce and shall be wailing over Him all the Tribes of the land yea amen.

Like I said, I do not think anyone here can tell us what God meant. It would have to come to God as it came to Joseph.

 

[&Abel]

You are reading a prophetic dream and unless you have God speaking to you as Joseph did then your analogy is as worthwhile as any one elses, and that is very little since only God knows what is meant by 666.

Remember that numbers can be used many different ways.

do you think that I sat around punching in names all day till I got something that added to 666?

I was praying in the spirit with groanings too deep for words when the thought of using the meaning of his name for the calculation popped into my head

so I went and punched in "bear's son" feeling as though the spirit had spoken

it didn't add up so I decided to try medvedev again but I accidentally left the bear's son calculation and started typing medvedev "me" and for some reason I hit calculate(don't remember why) and it equalled 666

I figured there had to be something there but I wasn't sure what...so I started looking at the values for the individual #'s when the thought of "initials" popped into my head

and as I typed in "DAM Bear's son" my heart skipped a beat feeling as though it was gonna = 666

and it did

it could also be written "bear's mad son"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Like I said, I do not think anyone here can tell us what God meant. It would have to come to God as it came to Joseph.

I would say YHWH and His Christ JESUS do try to tell us, but as the verse states in my Siggy, not all can Hear and See including me......

Genesis 6:13 And Elohim is saying to Noah "an-end of-all-of flesh coming to faces of Me, that the land is full with violence from faces of them and behold Me!, ruining/corrupting-of-them/07843 shachath the Land." [Luke 3:6/Reve 11:18]

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing/oyetai <3700> (5695) All flesh the Salvation of the God. [Gene 6:13/Reve 11:18, 19:17]

 

[&Abel]

I've been following the spirit concerning medvedev all the way

the reason I started to research him is from a sign on my neighbours lawn "go russia" spray painted with a zodiac symbol

I thought god might have wanted me to go to russia and do some type of missionary work...I went online to research russia and the first news story was that the new president of russia had been elected with a picture of him that wreaked of evil

so I clicked and knew what I was being shown...I've been following signs ever since

for a while I all but forgot about it(and even thought I might have been wrong) but lately I've been finding much more concerning this and russia has been very active in positioning itself