Poll - Once Saved Always Saved

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

Justification, sanctification.

This is a false dichotomy! Sanctification and justification are distinct but so intimately bound together in the process of salvation that they are, for all practical purposes, inseperable.

 

[Foundthelight]

In some ways I see people talking past each other here. There is a promise of eternal life for those who persevere in their faith in obedience to Christ. Those who do so can be confident and sure of their salvation just as Paul was. One says that if they are truly in Christ they will never turn away. Another calls this perseverance. I think you are talking past each other.

I have a question for those who hold to OSAS.

I know several who have exhibited faith in Christ, have said the "sinners prayer", have led a life in obedience for a time, and then have fallen away and forsaken Christ. Some who hold to OSAS would say that these individuals are still saved, that their profession of faith ensures this, that no matter how much they deny Christ they will still get to Heaven. Others who hold to OSAS say that they were never really saved, that their faith was not salvational.

Which is it? Are such saved or not?

 

[forgivenWretch]

Foundthelight and everyone else...God's Word.....

God's Plan of Salvation The Bible says there is only one way to Heaven

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)
Good works cannot save you.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Trust Jesus Christ today! Here's what you must do:

1. Admit you are a sinner. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23)
   "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Romans 5:12)
   "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10)
2. Be willing to turn from sin (repent). Jesus said: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:5)
   "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30)
3. Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried, and rose from the dead. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
   "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
   "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9)
4. Through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal Saviour. "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:10)
   "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

What to pray:

Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to turn from sin. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal Saviour. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12)
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Who are we to judge one's salvation? That is between that person and God. Is it not?

 

[Rick Otto]

I got 2 questions relating to this topic.

1-Was Judas a Christian at any time?
2-Was Saint Peter a Christian when he denied to know Jesus?

1-No.
Joh 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?2-Yes.Because he knew a revealed truth:Mt 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And you can't realy know anything spiritual unless you've been born again:
1Co 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[cobweb]

I have a question for those who hold to OSAS.

I know several who have exhibited faith in Christ, have said the "sinners prayer", have led a life in obedience for a time, and then have fallen away and forsaken Christ. Some who hold to OSAS would say that these individuals are still saved, that their profession of faith ensures this, that no matter how much they deny Christ they will still get to Heaven. Others who hold to OSAS say that they were never really saved, that their faith was not salvational.

Which is it? Are such saved or not?

I do not believe OSAS, but as one who fell away for several years after being devout... I asked this question many times. The only answer that I ever received was that I must not have been a "True Christian" to begin with or I would have never walked away.

 

[Foundthelight]

Foundthelight and everyone else...God's Word.....




Who are we to judge one's salvation? That is between that person and God. Is it not?

That's right! So why does OSAS even come up? Why can't we just accept each other at their word and let God sort us out? Like the wheat and the tares.

 

[Rick Otto]

I have a question for those who hold to OSAS.

I know several who have exhibited faith in Christ, have said the "sinners prayer", have led a life in obedience for a time, and then have fallen away and forsaken Christ. Some who hold to OSAS would say that these individuals are still saved, that their profession of faith ensures this, that no matter how much they deny Christ they will still get to Heaven. Others who hold to OSAS say that they were never really saved, that their faith was not salvational.

Which is it? Are such saved or not?

Only God knows for sure if their faith, however compromised was real. More detailed information could offer a better educated guess, but it would still be a guess.

 

[forgivenWretch]

Because we are human and as humans many consider to follow the philosophy of "what if", instead of choosing to believe that which God's guarantees us.

If one does not believe OSAS, to me that is an admittance that they do not believe God, nor His Word.

Simply take a look at the human brain...Twisted coils wrapped tightly around each other.

 

[CShephard53]

I got 2 questions relating to this topic.

1-Was Judas a Christian at any time?
2-Was Saint Peter a Christian when he denied to know Jesus?

Heh, in the literal sense, I suppose they might, but certainly not any other way! Just because they walked around with Him doesn't make them Christian unless they actually put it into practice.

 

[Foundthelight]

Because we are human and as humans many consider to follow the philosophy of "what if", instead of choosing to believe that which God's guarantees us.

If one does not believe OSAS, to me that is an admittance that they do not believe God, nor His Word.

Simply take a look at the human brain...Twisted coils wrapped tightly around each other.

Which definition of OSAS?

 

[CShephard53]

This isn’t about mere details. It’s about demonstration and the substance of what you are suggesting. Just look back at your posts; you say things like “obvious”, “misrepresent”, “factual”, “by definition”, “fallacy”, etc. You use these as identifiers. Yet, when asked HOW the identification is made, you just repeat yourself: obvious, misrepresent...I might be misrepresenting you here, but, as to HOW I’m doing that, I guess we’ll never know.

I stated:
"Your suggestion that I can't explain it is not grounded in anything factual and I would appreciated it if you did not misrepresent the facts."

Now, as you are the only one who is stating a confusion about what fact is being misrepresented, I'll kindly get back to the issue at hand rather than being asked to explain myself.

Finally, if you wish to continue with this idea of me not being able to explain things, I will call it ad hominem. It's borderline enough as it is.

 

[Rick Otto]

Which definition of OSAS?

The correct one as exemplified by the Bereans.

 

[Ave Maria]

No, I do not believe in once saved, always saved. To me, "once saved, always saved" is the absolute worst heresy there is! It is nothing more than a license to sin!

 

[CShephard53]

No, I do not believe in once saved, always saved. To me, "once saved, always saved" is the absolute worst heresy there is! It is nothing more than a license to sin!

Support your claim.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

1-No.
Joh 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?2-Yes.Because he knew a revealed truth:Mt 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And you can't realy know anything spiritual unless you've been born again:
1Co 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rick Otto,

you are amazing!

God Bless you!



Talking about Protestants taking things out of context, i'm just speach less by your answers.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

The correct one as exemplified by the Bereans.

Please stop quoting anti-christian materials around here.

Thank you

 

[NoDoubt]

Please stop quoting anti-christian materials around here.

Thank you

The Bereans are anti-Christian?

 

[Rick Otto]

The Bereans are anti-Christian?

I don't get it either.
She blesses me & then implies I'm out of context.
I was hopin' she'd remain speechless, but I guess John & Collossians are 2 anti-christian books in the NT.
Who knew?

 

[CShephard53]

Rick Otto,

you are amazing!

God Bless you!



Talking about Protestants taking things out of context, i'm just speach less by your answers.

Nice claim. Got backing? If not, let us know.

 

[WarriorAngel]

You don't wanna be flip, but if you take yourself too seriously, you can develop a condition called "reflexive sanctimony".

Or just plain heartburn.
You missed me didnt you.

Personally, it's hard to me to say which of those I believe, but lately I tend to think that OSAS is not true. I just can't get over the fact that after we are "saved" or whatever you want to call it, we still sin. In other words, we are still tempted (and still fall to it). In even more other words, it means that our enemy is still trying to make us fall. If that doctrine of OSAS is indeed true, why wouldn't the enemy focus his attention solely elsewhere (on non-Christians), on where his purpose may still be fulfilled?

Satan doest tempt those already lost...they are already choosing a path.
He goes after the ones who are God's...and he endeavors for them to fall.
Imho, OSAS is his tool.

Its easier to sin 'knowing' you are already saved...so why not give in and enjoy a little sin once in while?

Sounds like something he would say and does say to many who give in while beleiving its ok since Christ already did all the work.

I think this 1st post of yours has alot of logic to it, you would do well to continue with that school of thot.

Hmm, that makes good sense. Making believers look like unbelievers has got to be one of his best weapons.

But what are they to believers?
Believers will not lose if someone else looks like an unbeliever.

I dont see the practical reasoning, and i love logic.