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Wow, no need to get testy. I thought I answered you fair and square. I was not trying to "misconstrue." I still don't get what your point is, so if you ask the question clearer then I will try to answer it as best I can.
Please, no need to get upset...
I am not asking you to wonder what my point is. I have been down this road before with folk as yourself who have twisted my words as you have. Some are still at it, as we speak. You now ask for more clarity to a simple question you can't answer without implicating yourself in willful ignorance.
Here it is again sincerely asking:
Question: Could not and did not men find favor with God without regeneration? What was it God found favor with from man?
those of the circumcised.Question: Could not and did not men find favor with God without regeneration? What was it God found favor with from man?
Once again, I repeat: I was not being willfully ignorant, I was not answering the question purposely in a way to avoid what you meant. You're assuming. Is it so possible that I misunderstood the question? .
No. You understood it enough to twist the words to make say what I wasn't asking.
You don't need to get all upset, it is kind of immature. I also resent the idea that I "twisted your words".
You did and that is why I am angry.
You are once again assuming that I knew full well what you were asking, and decided to answer it in a different way, because apparently I have no answer to your real question. That is plain assumption, and frankly, it is quite rude
My real question was an easy question. Did men ever find favor with God before they were born again?
Your questions aren't defined. I don't know what you mean by "favor". I know what I think it means, but I don't know what you think it means. So I answer this in caution.
Favor in anyones dictionary means, approval, bless worthly.
Here you go, I won't say anything other than a simple yes or no answer.
Could not and did not men find favor with God without regeneration?
No.
Thank you. That is all I was looking for as an answer. Apparently you don't believe God ever blessed men before regeneration. No one was blessed of God before the cross and the new birth in Christ. There was nothing men ever did before to bring about God's approval/favor that brought God's blessing.
'nough said.
No. You understood it enough to twist the words to make say what I wasn't asking.
You did and that is why I am angry.
My real question was an easy question. Did men ever find favor with God before they were born again?
Favor in anyones dictionary means, approval, bless worthly.
Thank you. That is all I was looking for as an answer. Apparently you don't believe God ever blessed men before regeneration. No one was blessed of God before the cross and the new birth in Christ. There was nothing men ever did before to bring about God's approval/favor that brought God's blessing.
'nough said.
Ah, but you are wrong. I am a dispensationalist, and thus, I believe all men are technically not saved by faith in Christ. Each dispensation, or "economy" has its own circumstances that must be fulfilled in order that one be saved during it. One is always saved by faith, but the object of that faith changes as per the dispensation. And thus, one who lived before Christ's death was regenerated in the same way that we are today, before they were justified as righteous, before they "found favor with God".
Now, should I get all mad at you? You said that I believe this:
"No one was blessed of God before the cross and the new birth in Christ."
And yet I never said that, and I never said anything to infer that. Yet, you twisted my words and made me say something I never said. You figured that as being the logical conclusion to the answer that I gave you, and thus assumed that's where it leads me. Well, you're wrong. Now please stop being such a jerk. This is called "Christian forums", where we discuss theology and who God is, and we are (for the most part) all children of God. There is no need to become angry at someone and get all bent out of shape when they say something to you. I didn't mean any harm and I didn't mean to dodge your question.
those of the circumcised.
You have dodged it, evaded it and twisted it.Ah, but you are wrong. I am a dispensationalist, and thus, I believe all men are technically not saved by faith in Christ. Each dispensation, or "economy" has its own circumstances that must be fulfilled in order that one be saved during it. One is always saved by faith, but the object of that faith changes as per the dispensation. And thus, one who lived before Christ's death was regenerated in the same way that we are today, before they were justified as righteous, before they "found favor with God".
Now, should I get all mad at you? You said that I believe this:
"No one was blessed of God before the cross and the new birth in Christ."
And yet I never said that, and I never said anything to infer that. Yet, you twisted my words and made me say something I never said. You figured that as being the logical conclusion to the answer that I gave you, and thus assumed that's where it leads me. Well, you're wrong. Now please stop being such a jerk. This is called "Christian forums", where we discuss theology and who God is, and we are (for the most part) all children of God. There is no need to become angry at someone and get all bent out of shape when they say something to you. I didn't mean any harm and I didn't mean to dodge your question.
If you can't see that I feel sorry for you.
You have persuaded me to believe it is not willful ignorance I am up against but ignorance mixed with irrationality. I believe Calvinism fosters it. Someone wrote they believed Calvinism was a dangerous doctrine. I agree with them. I believe it is a snare, a very strong snare thats robs sincere folk of the ultimate intention of God.
Grace from God? No problem. It is His gift to us. But Faith isn't.
Without His Grace we would not have the faith to believe, therefore faith is a gift.
what is satan blinding the unsaved with.... the grace of God or the faith from God?
Gal 5:22-23 fruit of the spirit .... Faith
What is grace.... undeserved favor romans 4:2-5
. . . . . . . another unlearned question
ALL KNOWING ORMLY ..... GIVE ME THE ANSWERS>>>
ALL KNOWING ORMLY ..... GIVE ME THE ANSWERS>>>
why has my questions not been answered by you Ormly? What are those who are with the Lord clothed with? And, to what were these witnesses witnessing? If you have alread answered these them forgive me and please direct me to your answers..
Without being created in his image we would be without faith. Faith is the substance of Himself given to man that man might be a worshipper of Him who created him. Faith is no special "anything" from God.
As Chambers puts it: "Grace is the overflow of the very Nature of God" and since man is a worshipper, leaving man without excuse when exercising his faith in believing in God.. Without faith in God is it impossible to please Him; it is impossible for God to respond to man with Himself.
You Calvinists need to learn that and stop making excuses for your weakness in Christ; waiting around for God to grant you what He has already provided.
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