Please explain to me why homosexuality is anathema to God.

[EnemyPartyII]

That's true.

If homosexuality was really a sin, it would be written in stone.

or at the very least, clearly spelled out in the Bible

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

So, worst case scenario: God doesn't like homosexuality, but God will forgive us for misinterpreting the Bible's ambiguous text regarding this matter.

Wrong. The bible is clear about how God feels about it, the ambiguity comes from you trying to comprehend WHY God doesn't like it.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I don't think anyone here ever said "the commandments don't apply to us"

Of course, there is no commandment against homosexuality, so theres no problem.

So now you say we are to follow the commandments only? The first and greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart mind and spirit. By doing this, if you love God you love and obey His rules, not pick them apart at your liking. (and disbelieve the parts you don't agree with, for that matter)

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So now you say we are to follow the commandments only? The first and greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart mind and spirit. By doing this, if you love God you love and obey His rules, not pick them apart at your liking. (and disbelieve the parts you don't agree with, for that matter)

I disagree, I believe the best way to love God is by following the second greatest commandment... you know, the one about loving and accepting people?

Remember, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I disagree, I believe the best way to love God is by following the second greatest commandment... you know, the one about loving and accepting people?

Remember, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath

So you forsake the first and greatest commandment for the second? This is the reason why it is first, because God comes first, before everything, ourselves, our families, our friends, everything. Please God, then please people.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So you forsake the first and greatest commandment for the second? This is the reason why it is first, because God comes first, before everything, ourselves, our families, our friends, everything. Please God, then please people.

No, I just said... The way to follow the first IS TO FOLLOW THE SECOND... THAT brings Glory to God, pleases God, and demonstrates a love of God... far more than literalist, legalist, blind adherence to irrelevant tribal doctrine ever will.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

No, I just said... The way to follow the first IS TO FOLLOW THE SECOND... THAT brings Glory to God, pleases God, and demonstrates a love of God... far more than literalist, legalist, blind adherence to irrelevant tribal doctrine ever will.

No, the way to follow the first is to follow the first, in doing so the second will be followed as well, but it still comes second. And to make God subjective to human reasoning is weak, at best.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No, the way to follow the first is to follow the first, in doing so the second will be followed as well, but it still comes second. And to make God subjective to human reasoning is weak, at best.

Give me the exact words of the first commandment again?

Where does it say blind obedience to OT dogma is the best way to fulfil it?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Give me the exact words of the first commandment again?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.




Perhaps you should do some personal study on such things before you come to debate them.

Where does it say blind obedience to OT dogma is the best way to fulfil it?

dogma has nothing to do with this. It's about choosing to disobey God and choosing your own desires first.
Christ healed and ate on the sabbath, those are 2 things in regards to sustaining life. Healing someone's illness is a greater testimony to God than keeping His sabbath day.

 

[Catholicon]

Wrong. The bible is clear about how God feels about it, the ambiguity comes from you trying to comprehend WHY God doesn't like it.

And eating shellfish, wearing mixed fibers, working on the sabbath, slavery, etc...?

 

[Ave Maria]

And eating shellfish, wearing mixed fibers, working on the sabbath, slavery, etc...?

Those are Old Testament laws that were abolished by the New Covenant. Homosexuality is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Those are Old Testament laws that were abolished by the New Covenant. Homosexuality is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

really? where?

Oh, right... in your translation of Paul's letter.

Not like, by JESUS or anything?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.




Perhaps you should do some personal study on such things before you come to debate them.



dogma has nothing to do with this. It's about choosing to disobey God and choosing your own desires first.
Christ healed and ate on the sabbath, those are 2 things in regards to sustaining life. Healing someone's illness is a greater testimony to God than keeping His sabbath day.

Sorry, I don't see "unquestioning obedience to OT dogma" as part of those 2 great commandments. Am I reading it wrong?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

no one is asking for unquestioning obedience to OT dogma. Do you know what dogma means?

 

[Catholicon]

really? where?

Oh, right... in your translation of Paul's letter.

Not like, by JESUS or anything?

Paul was someone who never even MET Jesus, he was just someone with his own agenda and prejudices. His own, personal opinions are just that, opinions, and he has no credibility to dictate doctrine.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

really? where?

Oh, right... in your translation of Paul's letter.

Not like, by JESUS or anything?

If you don't believe that Paul was commissioned by Christ after his conversion, then you are calling him a liar and you must also disregard any of paul's writings, which make up 13 letters of the NT.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Paul was someone who never even MET Jesus, he was just someone with his own agenda and prejudices. His own, personal opinions are just that, opinions, and he has no credibility to dictate doctrine.

So his conversion on the road to damascus is just a fraud?

 

[Ohioprof]

Those are Old Testament laws that were abolished by the New Covenant. Homosexuality is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

In your interpretation. Not in everyone's.

 

[Ohioprof]

If you don't believe that Paul was commissioned by Christ after his conversion, then you are calling him a liar and you must also disregard any of paul's writings, which make up 13 letters of the NT.

I don't believe Paul was commissioned by Jesus. I think he commissioned himself. I am not a Paul follower, and Paul did not speak for Jesus.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I don't believe Paul was commissioned by Jesus. I think he commissioned himself. I am not a Paul follower, and Paul did not speak for Jesus.

What was his purpose, then? Fame, fortune? He went from a comfortable position of power within the pharisee's to a constant beatdown and imprisonment. His teachings are completely in line with the rest of God's word, so that kind of statement is unfounded without any type of evidence supporting such a ridiculous claim.