Please explain to me why homosexuality is anathema to God.

[naotmaa]

Ohio,

That's basically my argument, except that I've not seen any of it. I'm in the Bible belt, in southeast USA, and I don't know of any homosexual Christians at my university. I've asked a few -- gays included -- about meeting nice Christian guys, and they all laugh. Within the gay communities that I've seen, it seems that, since churches have rejected them, they have rejected church.

I want to go around and wave that banner like you do, saying all you want to do is raise kids and have a loving family, but it's hard for me to continue thinking that when instead I see "gay pride" parades involving BDSM, drag queen shows at gay bars in Nashville, TN where people have mutilated their bodies (and reveling in them), underwear nights where guys all go half naked ... I mean, honestly, it seems more about promiscuity, sex and lust than love and family. Even my Sociology textbook -- a few years old, before gay marriage was allowed anywhere -- mentioned that gays raising children will rely on networks of lovers and former lovers, where the emphasis was about rational love, etc. They then drew comparisons with the latino and black families, where you can have fictive kin, but it still raises the question of promiscuity -- "former lovers" helping to raise kids ... It then mentioned that gay men have a harder time staying together than lesbians. Maybe also due to promiscuity?

I know a guy who thought he was bisexual, and his family moved back to California. He decided he was straight because he was sick of all these gay guys hitting on him, wanting sex.

I was at Counseling Services (looooong story) on campus and this woman, who apparently is very conservative, mentioned "a guy out in Brentwood" who helps men struggling with their sexuality. She says he's said that many men he's worked with who thought they were gay mostly had compulsion issues, and were a bit too stuck on the sex issue.

I don't really know what to think of all this, but it certainly doesn't reflect well on the gay community.

I think it really depends on where you live and who you hang out with.

A lot of gay people do as ohioprof has described. But I get the impression that the more isolating the place, such as the Bible Belt, the less likely you'll see it. Which is really unfortunate.

Fortunately, I live in a very accepting area and because of that I get to come into contact with a wide variety of gay people and many live completely normal lives.

As far as gay parades go, that has sparked controversy within the gay community as well. I have mixed feelings myself. Although some groups that march such as Pflag and groups like that are great and could not be considered "offensive" in their appearance. Others like the leather folks and half naked dudes are outrageous and I get that. Its all in fun. But other actually think that this is an actual portrayal of the everyday gay person. I don't think gay parades represent the community well.

As far of gay clubs/events/bars go... I've heard of gay clubs that would turn you away if you did show up in your underwear. But in general bars and clubs aren't family orientated places anyway. Go to any "straight" night club on halloween and see how the women there are dressed. Nothing family oriented about it.

Organizations such as massequality and pflag do a great job showing the family side of the gay community.

 

[AetheriusLamia]

I don't know what pflag stands for, if it's some acronym ... and ohio, BDSM is demonic. It celebrates everything that goes against God: pain and suffering instead of pleasure and comfort, dark instead of light, domination instead of equality, etc. To say those that display it in public are perfectly fine is nonsensical; you might as well say violence is perfectly acceptable on television. (Hint: It's not.)

All of this being said, I really want us to wrap up these extraneous discussions, taking them to another thread, if necessary, to turn this thread back on topic. Please see the first post. This thread is about why you think God is against homosexuality, citing the Bible when appropriate for the argument.

 

[naotmaa]

I don't know what pflag stands for, if it's some acronym .

Parents and friends of gays and lesbians

 

[AetheriusLamia]

I have two fundamentalist friends who tell me the primary sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality. They say it's "in there somewhere," despite my claims to have never seen anything about it. I've quoted Ezekiel to them, and they dismiss it. They're very poor with logic in general... "It doesn't matter that your Bible says sodomite while my Bible says homosexual offender, because my Bible is the word of God."

Can you find what they're talking about? Where in the Bible does it say the sin of Sodom was gay sex?

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

It celebrates everything that goes against God: pain and suffering instead of pleasure and comfort...

... you might as well say violence is perfectly acceptable on television. (Hint: It's not.)

God did not promise pleasure or comfort. In fact the comfortable choice is usually the wrong choice


Violence on TV is called action and it's great

X

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

Eze. 16.49, 50 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

Clear it up any?

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

"The Redeemer of the world declares that there are greater sins than that for which Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. . . . And still greater sin is theirs who profess to know God and to keep His commandments, yet who deny Christ in their character and their daily life." (Ellen White in Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 165)