Please, differentiate yourselves from my father

[KCKID]

Notice, that the Apostles wrote about slavery, foods, and days of worship, but not once altered the view on gay sex.

The Apostles didn't write anything about 'gay' sex.

Again, I follow the teachings of the Apostles, who were taught everything they know from Christ Jesus, or "The Helper" that Jesus gave them.

The Apostles were taught nothing about 'gay' sex from either Jesus or 'The Helper'.

It is also wrong to say that Christians can support and promote gay sex using the same honesty of what is written in the New Testament. The Apostles were clear on the inappropriateness of gay sex "for Christians."

Really? You must have a different Bible from me.

If you know of any scriptures that promote gay sex for Christians, please enter them into this debate.

You keep harping on about presenting scriptures that promote gay sex for Christians as if it actually means something. I'll give YOU a challenge which will probably amount to the same 'nothing'. If you know of any scripture that promotes a change of God's Sabbath to Sunday (the Christian 'sabbath'), please let me know. This is tantamount to changing the commandments of God and doing so would be a FAR greater 'sin' than who one chooses to have sex with. If you can't provide a scripture for a change of Sabbath to Sunday then please lay off asking for a scripture that promotes 'gay' sex. It's the same thing.

Otherwise, please allow me to object and reject the accusations that my positions are mean and hateful. I am just a Christian doing what the Apostles taught that I should do.

Oh, I think you're going over and beyond what the Apostles taught. You say that homosexuals have an agenda. I have no idea if THEY do but I know that YOU sure do! It's become an obsession with you.

 

[DrummerWench]

Homosexuality is a sex act.

No.
This is a false statement.
Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is an orientation.

you just have thoughts that no one except the thinker can hear.

Yes.
This is a true statement.
You hear your own thoughts. If you have romantic / sexual attraction to persons of the opposite sex, you are a heterosexual. If you have romantic / sexual attraction to persons of the same sex, you are a homosexual.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The Apostles didn't write anything about 'gay' sex.

Thank you. I know I am not a homophobe or mean or a bigot or whatever pet silencing techniques of the gay debater.

The Apostles were taught nothing about 'gay' sex from either Jesus or 'The Helper'.

I know. Not one thing in support of it either.

Really? You must have a different Bible from me

I have many versions. I even have a Peshitta. Which one would you like to use to see same-gender sex acts promoted in? I've used them all. I have found the same condemnation of it every one. Until Soulforce or some other heretical "progressive" group writes a gay bible, with of course alterations, you will have to excuse me for thinking my position has merit.

You keep harping on about presenting scriptures that promote gay sex for Christians as if it actually means something.

It hits you like thunder it seems. See your above reactions. I know what I am doing. I've been at this debate thing for awhile. "You guys" always break it down to what you have broken it down too. SPIN and redirection, or accusation or labeling. It's not tough to see what's coming with "you guys." You have no position to base your alterations of the New Testament on but emotionalism and ulterior motive.

And here comes the spin:

I'll give YOU a challenge which will probably amount to the same 'nothing'. If you know of any scripture that promotes a change of God's Sabbath to Sunday (the Christian 'sabbath'), please let me know.

(Is this where two wrongs CAN make a right?) Just like gay sex promoting text, there aren't any that I have read about. Not that say "the sabbath is cancelled." Although Jesus kind of tore the Pharisses to shreds about making the sabbath too important. I figure, that the fact that Jesus let His Disciples "work" on the sabbath, I shouldn't judge my neighbor that does. The Sabbath is for man right? Not the other way around? And didn't Paul deal with the silliness of keeping one day holier than another in his little treatise about foods? Romans 14: 5, 6 right? (Jesus even demoted Jerusalem's importance as the prayer capitol of the world as well.)

I agree with your assertion. Like I write, the Apostles wrote what Christians should do. Scripture and all being the guide.

Umm, you have noticed, that foods and days or importance HAVE been dealt with . . ., BUT, same-gender sex acts (gay sex) remained the same? I mean "by the way," how do you honor your father AND mother, if they are of the same gender? That is one of the Ten Commandments "too."

Your Gay Agenda has no Biblical feet. Or rather "foundation."

No Apostle, nor Disciple, nor Jesus (!) changed what constitutes a marriage and of course, what a family is too.

This is tantamount to changing the commandments of God and doing so would be a FAR greater 'sin' than who one chooses to have sex with.

The Apostles quoted Jesus teaching that the Sabbath was not all that immutable in some instances. Otherwise, His Disciples should have fallen in that field of wheat where they "broke" the sabbath. But who are we to argue what Jesus "supposedly" said. You being a liberal/progressive and all. To you guys, altering and ignoring, or, rather discarding the words IN thr New Testament seem commonplace. By the way, why the fundamentalist view on the sabbath? It;s good that you know the truth, but won;t this kind of thing get you kicked out of your club? Those guys (and girls and whatever) don;t like dissent or challenge. And even moreso that tah, they do not tolerate "fundamental" biblical truth at all.

Be careful my friend.

But I do notice, that Jesus was quoted as saying that a "marriage" was a man and a woman. He did keep to that. Have you noticed that?

If you can't provide a scripture for a change of Sabbath to Sunday then please lay off asking for a scripture that promotes 'gay' sex. It's the same thing.

Hardly. It is Gay 101 spin tactics. Jesus and Paul spoke about days of importance to followers of Christ Jesus.

Nothing on supporting and promoting same-gender sex acts. Nada. In fact, exactly the opposite. Marriage, to Paul and Jesus was where proper and moral sex was to be had. Shall we get into scripture?

Oh, I think you're going over and beyond what the Apostles taught. You say that homosexuals have an agenda. I have no idea if THEY do but I know that YOU sure do! It's become an obsession with you.

All I am doing is debating on a Christian website. Nothing more and nothing less. Your Gay Tactics 101.7 is noted, and please excuse me, but I am not derailed. That of course being the goal of your Gay Tactic 101.3.

How about we stick to the OP "with" how a Christian should?

You can always post a new thread and challenge things there.

 

[morningstar2651]

Actually, the change to Sunday was by Constantine.

"On the venerable day of the Sun let the Magistrates and the people residing in the cities rest, and let all workshops be closed." Edict of Constantine A.D. 321

 

[Jerrell]

Is it? He used the bible to back it up.

That, however, is irrelevant. The thought processes, words, and actions are almost the same. Just because you claim the bible backs you up, doesn't let you off the hook. Please, seriously, how are you *any* different from him?

Alot of people thorughout history have used the bible to back their actions up. Hitler even used it and even had Catholic Bishops and Priest on his side. Like my Pastors says even the Devil can qoute the bible. But it takesa true beleiver to practice it. Does the bible teach that homosexuality is wrong? Yes it does. Does it teach that one should be anti-gay and go after gay people, NO! Having sex before marriage is just as much a sin as homosexuality but you still don't see people going after fornicators like they do homosexuals. I am in no way condoning homosexuality. But I also don't condone anti-gay groups. If someone has 'chosen' to be gay (orperhaps you might say they have not chosen) they will most likely stay that way until they are saved. And if they claim to be saved and remain gay, then the problem remains between them and God because they choose not to repent.

 

[Jerrell]

From what I've read here and in other places alot of Homosexuals make alot of excuses with Romans Chapter 1. And especially don't study the meaning of the greek behind the word fornication, which is Porneia, which is essentially everything in Leveticus 18. So yes even the Apostles in the Book of Acts told Gentiles that they had to keep themselves from fornication(everything in Leveticus 18). Which includes Homosexuality.

 

[KCKID]

Actually, the change to Sunday was by Constantine.

That's right. Emporer Constantine himself had religious leanings toward Mithraism (worship of the sun).

The point is that the change of Sabbath to Sunday didn't come from the Bible. I personally don't much care about the day on which people choose to worship - that's their business - but I find it annoying how some things from the Bible are highlighted (sometimes by their absence as in Polycarp_fan's wanting scriptural evidence for same-sex relationships) while others are ignored.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

[quote=KCKID;48100970]That's right. Emporer Constantine himself had religious leanings toward Mithraism (worship of the sun).[/quote]

And he was right or wrong by using what yardstick?

The point is that the change of Sabbath to Sunday didn't come from the Bible. I personally don't much care about the day on which people choose to worship - that's their business -

Jesus did preach on that.

but I find it annoying how some things from the Bible are highlighted (sometimes by their absence as in Polycarp_fan's wanting scriptural evidence for same-sex relationships) while others are ignored.

Only by liberals and the evolutionary process to progressives. Bible-affirming Christians keep things in there proper perspective. I can show you scripture about worship, days to keep important, and what foods are OK to eat and that adultery is also wrong. But gay sex, is still not appropriate for Christians to engage in.

My point is KC, that Christians, are not the hateful people in this promotion of the gay-sex culture hitting the Church. You would think, that if a gay supporter and adherant were to be honest, they would take their gay ideology and religiosity somewhere else. It is unseemly and inappropriate to infect and infest the Church with promoting, supporting and encoragement of gay sex.

 

[KCKID]

My point is KC, that Christians, are not the hateful people in this promotion of the gay-sex culture hitting the Church. You would think, that if a gay supporter and adherant were to be honest, they would take their gay ideology and religiosity somewhere else. It is unseemly and inappropriate to infect and infest the Church with promoting, supporting and encouragement of gay sex.

Where IS this church you keep referring to where these 'gay' infiltrators are pushing their supposed 'agenda' for the purpose of 'who knows why' ...?

I personally have not seen those 'gays' you speak of infecting and infesting the Church with promoting, supporting, and encouragement of 'gay' sex. Nor have I personally seen 'straights' infecting and infesting the Church with promoting, supporting, and encouragement of 'heterosexual' sex.

The truth is that, unless someone is obviously married and with their partner, I would have no idea who is 'straight' or who is 'gay' in the church congregation. Is there a special 'Rainbow Version' of the Bible that I've somehow missed? I personally would hope that those of EITHER persuasion would not be going to church to promote their sexual preference anyway. ?????

Good grief, man ...what Church do you attend ...?!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Where IS this church you keep referring to where these 'gay' infiltrators are pushing their supposed 'agenda' for the purpose of 'who knows why' ...?

I personally have not seen those 'gays' you speak of infecting and infesting the Church with promoting, supporting, and encouragement of 'gay' sex.

The Anglicans are suffering schism from gays inflicting themsleves and their gay culture (the fruit of gay ideology within the Church) within "The Church" as we write.

You don't study much do you?

Nor have I personally seen 'straights' infecting and infesting the Church with promoting, supporting, and encouragement of 'heterosexual' sex.

Adultery and promiscuity is ALSO not promted and/or supported "within" The Church. It, is considered sin. Notice the lack of sdulterers charging the Church with a hate crime?

The truth is that, unless someone is obviously married and with their partner, I would have no idea who is 'straight' or who is 'gay' in the church congregation.

There is no such thing as same-gender "marriage" in Christian culture. Gay heresy has entered the Church throughout history, but it was and is always rooted out.

Is there a special 'Rainbow Version' of the Bible that I've somehow missed?

Don't get me started on the demonic uses of the rainbow and the term "out" in gay culture. Talk about counterfeit truth.

I personally would hope that those of EITHER persuasion would not be going to church to promote their sexual preference anyway. ?????

The Gay Agenda is all about that very thing. It is as real as Gay "Pride" parades. You don't study much do you? Isn't sexual orientation what you guys say makes you gay?

Good grief, man ...what Church do you attend ...?!

This one. There is only One "Church." Again, our debate is nothing new to Christians:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets.

And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Zecryphon]

Is there a special 'Rainbow Version' of the Bible that I've somehow missed?

There actually is a Rainbow Bible.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christ...d=101527&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers

 

[Polycarp_fan]

There actually is a Rainbow Bible.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christ...d=101527&event=ESRCN&item_code=WW&view=covers

Whew! I clinked on the link. No gay infulence it appears. That's a good thing.

There are reasons why the "powers and principalities" have abducted the rainbow and the words "out, outed and outing." Both things represent the truth of God towards the believers. The enemy is not want for deception to look like truth.

As in:

2Ti 4:3

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

 

[Zecryphon]

I figured your heart would skip a beat or two when you saw that.