Peter Is Not The Rock!

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey Saint Steve,

It looks like you've found a friend!

God bless,

Tad

Shhhh. Don't blow my cover to the "heathen non-christians"

 

[elijah115]

"What would Christ do if He could see? What would He, who rode on a donkey, think about the luxurious car, with the ornate throne as a seat? What would He say, if He saw the portfolio of the Vatican (stock-market) shares? What would He do if He saw all the treasures of the Vatican, treasures which could be used to alleviate ignorance by improving education? What would be His reaction to the comfortable lives of the members of the Curia? If Christ suddenly appeared in the middle of St. Peter's Square and said: "Leave your riches and follow me," I wonder how many would. I'd like to know what would happen to Him if He knocked on the Vatican door saying: "You speak in my name. You invoke me. I have come to tell you that you are misinterpreting my teachings." But I know exactly what would happen. The authorities would instantly call the Roman police, in accordance with the Lateran Agreements of 1929, and accuse Him of being anti-establishment, and of disturbing the peace. He would not be judged as before, however, but sent to a mental ward and classified as a maniac impersonator of Jesus Christ.'- Monsignor Semprione

"The entire catholic religion; EMPIRE and its vast obscene fortune was/is built on nothing but LIES and deceit. Peter was NEVER a Pope of Rome. He lived; died and was buried IN JERUSALEM (at the site of what is now a Franciscan Monastery called Dominus Flevit, according to an ex-JESUIT BISHOP, who got his information from The VATICAN. Peter's grave was found, around 1960, in Jerusalem), NOT in Rome. All of the EVIDENCE suggests that; as he was COMMANDED not to by Jesus ( note well - Matt. 10:5); Peter never even VISITED Rome.

5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The "so-called christian" religion, which in reality is the Babylonian MYSTERY Religion of Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17, was started NOT by Simon Peter but by Simon Pater, "the sorceror" referred to in Acts 8 v 9, who was condemned by Simon Peter himself in Acts 8 v 20 and his new religion called "christianity"(the TRUE followers of Christ called themselves "Covenanters" or "Followers of The Way"), was condemned by Paul/Saul in his letters (Epistles) e.g. Galatians 1:6-7 etc., and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2; and by Christ Himself in Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 17 and 18."

2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom The Way of Truth shall be evil spoken of.

Galatians
1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel (christianity):
1:7 Which is not another (because they "call" it christianity); but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the [True] gospel of Christ.

And PERVERT it the catholic church DID.


There Is No Other Gospel
6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

So if Peter did not start this evil Calthic church and Paul did not start this evil church that has its priests called father who did. It was that evil sorcerer Simon Pater.

In that one sentence above you have two thing that go against the Words of Jesus. We are all brothers (no priests) and no one is to be called father but God in Heaven. So this evil church opposes God. It is of satan the devil.

"It has been [SIZE=+1]known[SIZE=+1] for centuries that [SIZE=+1]the[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Vatican[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]is "The Mother of Harlots"[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] referred to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]by Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17; which explains [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]perfectly[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that it is that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]great CITY (Vatican CITY)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that rules over the kings of the earth; that sits on [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]7 mountains (Rome)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], where the inhabitants wear [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]SCARLET (cardinals)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PURPLE (bishops)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] decked with [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]gold[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]precious stones[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]pearls[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and calls itself "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]" church.

However, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] calls her "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother of Abominations[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]"; his [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and the great [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]harlot[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]He[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]NOT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the pope, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]MUST be right.
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That is [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]WHY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Vatican, to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HIDE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Truth about itself, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROHIBITED[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]possession[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]reading[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Holy Bible[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]for centuries[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]. (Don't you think it strange for a religion to prohibit its followers from having and reading God's Book? Ever wondered [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]why[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]?). The very fact that they did this [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVES[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] exactly who and what they are and that they are actually [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ's ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and are actively and vigorously fighting for Satan against Christ (Rev./Apoc. 17:14-18). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The Vatican also sells a [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]false[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of "The Ten Commandments" which [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]purposely[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] ommits COMMANDment number 2; the one about not making and/or bowing down to graven images and idols; even though the Catholic Bible itself includes the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]CORRECT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of COMMANDments (Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 4:16 and 5:8-10); [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVING[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] full well that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]DOING WRONG[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; that they are not only disobeying but are actually committing [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]TREASON[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] against God and that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]teaching idolatry[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; for which God [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]COMMANDS[/SIZE][SIZE=+1],[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] REPEATEDLY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in The Torah/Pentateuch/Covenant/Song of Moses, endorsed by Christ (Rev./Apoc. 14:3 and 15:3), that they, and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ALL[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], who do that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HAVE TO BE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] stoned to death." JAH
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[SIZE=+1]How can any thinking person defend the catholic church. Who destroyed Gods Temple the first time? Babylon. Babylon was defeated in a great war and fled and started over in Rome. This group has been the arch enemy of The House of Israel and The House of Judah. This group murdered and enslaved God Chosen people and there is no way that Gods Church is in the middle of Babylon (Rome). Rome destroyed the second Temple.

This evil church is a fraud and anti Christ as are her daughters.

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You are misquoting the bible. You may not like the Roman Catholic church but I don't think you have any right to call them anti-christ. That is just hugely unjustifiable. Later in the end of the Gospels, he says

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

It is my very strong impression that real Roman Catholics are for Christ not against him. The RCC may have its faults, including being power grabbing, history, somethings you've mentioned and etc but there is a lot of good that they do and have done.

Have you met nuns, fathers? Really got to know them. A lot of catholic communities are falling in numbers because less people are willing to live like them giving everything they earn each year and not a penny less to the church.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by tadoflamb
YOU WIN!

The weight of that rock is crushing!

Is not!
Is so!
Is not!
Is so!

Originally Posted by tadoflamb
ROCKY

ROCKY II

ROCKY III

ROCKY IV

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Heeeeelllllllllo, papal succession?

I can't believe you all are missing this.

I suggest the Rocky theme song be played after the successfull election of a pope.

I cannot believe someone bumped this thread up LOL.

Originally Posted by tadoflamb

St. Peter Rocks!!!


Tadoflamb is so KEWL!!!!!

 

[Rick Otto]

Yep God lets Satan establish the Catholic Church to survive for 2000 years leading billions into the eternal fire, then splits His body into thousands of pieces in less than 500 years in direct opposition of Christ prayer that we should all be one unified body as He and the Father.

Amen.
Just like He let Satan deceive and destroy the first couple with alluring lies & deciet.
Just like He let Satan apostacize 2000yrs of Judaism with idolatry.

At long last you seem to be thru with your overdue respect for the quality of antiquity & realize that Satan is older & wiser & more deserving of respectful caution, rather than throw caution to the wind & accept whatever intellectual dishonesties & scripture nullifying traditions that are imposed by those who would lord over you rather than be your brother.

You had no comment on the opulance mentioned.

You've sought to impress us with quotes from prominent Protestants.

How did you recive the comments of Monsignor Semiprione?

 

[mont974x4]

Just because we disagree on some minor issues and there's diferent names on the signs of our respective places of fellowship does not mean His body, His Church, His bride is split.

 

[Rick Otto]

Even if Jesus called Peter the rock, what am I supposed to do with this other name He used in speaking to Peter:
Get thee behind me, Satan."?

 

[Trento]

Even if Jesus called Peter the rock, what am I supposed to do with this other name He used in speaking to Peter:
Get thee behind me, Satan."?

Did you miss this? Simon, behold satan has demanded to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
It is quite clear that Peter is singled out to play the role of a leader and unifier among the Apostles. Therefore, he is not merely “one Apostle among others.” Rather, he is also responsible for the welfare of all.

Jesus calls Peter "blessed" (makarios in Greek). This word always denotes the blessedness of the person whose relationship to God is correct and holy. Read Mt. 5:1-11; Rom. 4:7-8; Lk. 1:45. There is another word for "blessed" (eulogetos in Greek) which is used only of God and means "Praise". For example, Lk. 1:68

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is quite clear that Peter is singled out to play the role of a leader and unifier among the Apostles. Therefore, he is not merely “one Apostle among others.” Rather, he is also responsible for the welfare of all.

Then what need was there to send Paul if Peter could do it all?

 

[mont974x4]

Didn't the disciples do enough arguing about who was greatest when they were here on earth?


Not to mention that God is no respector of persons.

ESV
Act 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,

 

[IamAdopted]

I agree and we see that Paul was an ambassador of Christ and not of Peter..

 

[Fireinfolding]

Did you miss this? Simon, behold satan has demanded to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
It is quite clear that Peter is singled out to play the role of a leader and unifier among the Apostles. Therefore, he is not merely “one Apostle among others.” Rather, he is also responsible for the welfare of all.

Jesus calls Peter "blessed" (makarios in Greek). This word always denotes the blessedness of the person whose relationship to God is correct and holy. Read Mt. 5:1-11; Rom. 4:7-8; Lk. 1:45. There is another word for "blessed" (eulogetos in Greek) which is used only of God and means "Praise". For example, Lk. 1:68

Blessed (makarios) art thou used in relation to Peter is in Mat 16:17 and in Luke 10:23 in elation to all His disciples In John 20:29 regarding ~those~ who have not seen (as they have) and in 1Peter 4:14 from Peters words to others regarding the Spirit of glory resting on one. Thats why they are blessed. That shows nothing that shows your point.

The majority of the time the other word "blessed" (eulogetos) is used is in relation to the "bread". In Mat 16:26 , Mark 14:22, Luke 24:30 Showing the same in 1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing (eulogetos) which we bless (eulogeō), is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread (artos)which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?In Luke 1:42 the angel uses blessed (eulogetos) regarding Mary herself and the other Blessed (makarios) "following that" in Luke 1:45. So both are shown. In other places its used by the people who say "blessed" is he that comes in the name of the Lord Luke 13:35.

But in relation to the disciples were called Blessed (makarios) in Luke 10:23 Trento.

Paul says WHO is Cephas? Paul did not say, "Peter is the head" or beyond reproof. It was Paul was the one who spoke more of the unifying factor Peter withdrew himself from. Peter is clearly not beyond correction or erring.

They dissamsembled in Peter (good lesson in history). It was Paul who had the courage to speak up and saved him from his own demise (and those who followed him). Ofcourse Peter erred. If we follow any man not acting in accordance with the truth those who follow them will fall right on top of them. Only insofar as one follows Christ are we.

Peter (Mr head?) has no problem pointing to Paul (He could at least see beyond himself) and could reccognize others too walk in the truth (sometimes a little better then he did)

In light of your explanation regarding Peters ~right relationship~ with the Lord over the word ~makarios~ (wherein the Lord calls all his disciples such) and not just Peter... Why wouldnt you chose rather to compare Peter with the disciple who the Lord loved? Doesnt prove your point? That (to me) would speak of one having a greater relationship with Him

Afterall it was Peter who asked about the disciple Jesus loved...and The Lord seemed to say "its none of your business" (in so few of words).

I just dont ever get ones "reasonings" or what you might use to reason a thing that appears nothing out of the ordinary.

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[sunlover1]

Did you miss this? Simon, behold satan has demanded to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
It is quite clear that Peter is singled out to play the role of a leader and unifier among the Apostles. Therefore, he is not merely “one Apostle among others.” Rather, he is also responsible for the welfare of all.

Jesus calls Peter "blessed" (makarios in Greek). This word always denotes the blessedness of the person whose relationship to God is correct and holy. Read Mt. 5:1-11; Rom. 4:7-8; Lk. 1:45. There is another word for "blessed" (eulogetos in Greek) which is used only of God and means "Praise". For example, Lk. 1:68

Yes and as in Romans 4 etc.
7 Saying, Blessedare they whose iniquities are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=5523201#_ftn1
http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=5523201#_ftnref1



Jesus loved Peter so much.
But God is no respector of persons.
He loves you this much too, dont you think?

I can only imagine!

Ps139
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God!
how great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them,
they are more in number than the sand:
when I awake, I am still with thee.http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=5523201#_ftn1
http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=5523201#_ftnref1

 

[mont974x4]

How wonderful it is to be His child. He loves us all so much that He disciplines (that is trains) us all. And with His kids, he does not pick favorites.

 

[Rick Otto]

yet you ignore my question:
How did you recive the comments of Monsignor Semiprione?

 

[Fireinfolding]

yet you ignore my question:
How did you recive the comments of Monsignor Semiprione?

Your not acting surprised Rick

 

[Rick Otto]

I'm sure he means well.

(I know your nice)
I just can't get this silly joke about a Pastor Kniel Down & his organist Bea Nice, and his mairrage counselor Marian Haste...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I agree and we see that Paul was an ambassador of Christ and not of Peter..

Paul/protestant vs Peter/catholic

http://www.pbase.com/rmcbee/08maas
Maastricht - St. Servaas and St. Janskerk

These two ancient churches sit within feet of each other. One is Catholic, the other Protestant.

Upon considering this fact, Dad said, "Hmm. I wonder if they sit there and throw rocks at each other." I've been laughing about that image ever

 

[Fireinfolding]

I'm sure he means well.

(I know your nice)
I just can't get this silly joke about a Pastor Kniel Down & his organist Bea Nice, and his mairrage counselor Marian Haste...

I dont get the joke either Rick Why dont you do what I do when I dont and just forget about it?

In regards to this being about Christ is more well meaning.

Though, I wouldnt use that excuse over and against Peter as an appostle. I neither desire to divide over Peter (the other apostles) or Christ.

The apostles didnt preach themselves but everyone following behind appears to preach them over Christ. This I dont get.

Its always touching the headship, the foundation, and the very confession of our faith which is Jesus Christ.

The apostles even tell us they do not have dominion over our faith. They tell us also that we should not let our faith stand in the wisdom of men but on the power of God (Christ). Most of the stuff I see written seeks to usurp what rightly belongs to Christ.

I do appology if I appear cynical (even when joking around). I do try to keep it light but I wont deny I am cynical at times, thats the truth.

Hugs bro

Fireinfolding

 

[Rick Otto]

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[Renton405]

These two ancient churches sit within feet of each other. One is Catholic, the other Protestant.

The protestant church is anything but ancient. Most evangelical sects are less than 100 years old even... Compared to how old the Catholic Church is they are youngins..