Peter Is Not The Rock!

[sunlover1]

So Rick, and Sun lover

do you 2 REALLY believe the church is built on PETER?

You would elevate Peter above the confession of Jesus as the Christ?

Do you not know there are 2 differant words used in the greek for 'peter' and 'rock' in this very passage?

I hope you care that your statements are confusing people i know personally lol, but thats ok it gives me a chance to show them the greek and what is REALLY said lol

Can you share what you're talking about here?
Thanks,
sunlover

The LIES the LIES!! Its a conspiracy! Because my preacher said so!


P.S. - Christ spoke aramaic not greek. And there is only one word for Rock in Aramiaic. Kepha.

"And I shall call you Kepha"

Christ is the Head!

Peter is the Rock!

"and I will give YOU(Kepha) the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

Thats why when you go to the Vatican(where Peters tomb is) you will see a statue of Peter with Keys in his hand

If Jesus was speaking aramaic, why would he have
to explain what Cephas means?
He had to be speaking in another language
or this passage doesnt make sense.
He seemed to feel he had to explain
to them what the word Cephas meant.


42 And he brought him to Jesus.
And when Jesus beheld him, he said,
Thou art Simon the son of Jona:
thou shalt be called Cephas,
which is by interpretation, A stone.

Right?

 

[Fireinfolding]

The keys to the Kingdom is the Gospel, the good news, and every one us, all the members of the royal preisthood get those keys and we all have the ministry of reconciliation as His ambassadors.

Yep, Paul said God revealed "HIS SON" ~in~ Him (Who is "the Rock") specifically THAT he MIGHT ~preach HIM~ (for ~without Him~ they could do nothing). Heres where their gospel came not "in word only" but ~power~ and Christ is the ~power of God~.

They ~bear~ HIS NAME = THE WORD OF GOD and just as Paul said, ye received it NOT as the ~word of men~ (against which their testimony was contrasted) but as it really is the Word of God (their Rock). They were speaking ~in Christ~ (the Spiritual Rock) ~in~ them.

Who do MEN ~SAY~ that I AM is contrasted (specifically) against who THEY would SAY that HE IS. Its to THIS confession "Thou art the Christ, the Son of God" he would build his church upon. The testimony of Jesus Christ. Its upon THIS confession (not of himself but given of God) and revealed of the Father (within him) that would not be prevailed upon. Jesus spake to ALL the disciples when asking the question its just answered in ~the one~ but He asked THEM.

Its an ~immovable Rock~ as ~the Kingdom~ they were receiving (itself) is unmoveble Kingdom. Even Peter himself speaks to ~the entrance~ that would be ~ministered unto them~ into the very Kingdom (others see only Peter has the keys to). Not so, because what THE LORD ~opens~ NO MAN can shut and what HE shuts NO MAN can open.

Flesh and blood did not reveal (His SON) to either Peter or to Paul (in them). It was by a "revelation" given of the Father. This is consistent with NO MAN can SAY He is THE LORD save by the Holy Spirit. So what either COULD SAY was GIVEN THEM. Just as the mysteries of the Kingdom was GIVEN THEM and just as the KEYS (for entrance) into the Kingdom was given Peter, he himself says the ~same entrance~ (into the Kingdom) would be ~ministered to them~ (in like fashion). NO MAN cometh unto the Father but BY ME. Hes the ROCK (inwardly revealed) by the revelation of the Father. Its GIVEN, and THAT by THE SPIRIT (by the which) NO MAN can SAY except BY HIM.

We are all LIVING STONES (As Cephas is interpreted A Stone) so also (as Peter confirmed) are WE. No doubt the church is built upon the foundation of apostles ~PLURAL~ (not singular) ~having~ Jesus Christ (not Peter) as the Chief Corner Stone. HE is both the Spiritual Rock, and Stone which is laid in Sion (By the Father). Upon THIS ROCK is built His Church (our confession of Him). No other foundation can be laid save the one that is, and thats Christ and Him in us and that by the Father Himself.

Lastly, looking at that verse in context of the whole Bible, the RCC teaching fails for the whole Bible points to Christ as the head of the Church and Him as the foundation, our all in all.....not Peter.

Yep The foundation, Chief Cornerstone, the Spiritual Rock is Christ (who accompanied them) through which the multitudes are fed (spiritual meat and drink). He is the Head, the wall of fire and the glory within (Christ in us). He's all THAT then some

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Trento]

Didn't the Church define Luther as a Heretic though by a bull??

I believe Heretics can be considered christians still.. a heretic by definition is a christian in error..I think

Luther was excommunicated because of the impossible position that they forced the Catholic Church to be in.
I would contend that no one who is conscious and in his right mind would say that any church, confronted with a dissident who denied fifty of its tenets which were passed down since Apostolic time, would tolerate this; nor should they be expected to.

Reformed Protestants (at least the "conservative" ones) don't even tolerate deviation from TULIP, for heaven's sake, and that only has to do with soteriology. We Catholics were faced with a frontal attack on many different areas of our faith: things we held sacred .
Anyone who has any belief system that was passed down from the Apostles for 1500 years is not gonna simply ditch it because one man comes along, in effect (and sometimes almost literally) claiming to be some sort of pseudo-prophet from God.
No self-respecting Protestant denomination today would consider such a radical change in their own system for a second. Yet that is what the Catholic Church in 1521 was expected to do, because, well, "everyone knows" that Luther was right and the 1500-year received Apostolic tradition wrong.

 

[PostTribber]

he was a 'clod' at times, but not the 'rock'! that's our confession of faith that is the 'rock' which Christ builds His church upon.

 

[Fireinfolding]

he was a 'clod' at times, but not the 'rock'! that's our confession of faith that is the 'rock' which Christ builds His church upon.

By the which ~no man~ can SAY except by the Holy Spirit (given of the Father) not of themelves

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh yeah, I forgot!


Vatican Statues...
"The Standard of Truth"
My bad.

re: Luther:
No bull!

The LIES the LIES!! Its a conspiracy! Because my preacher said so!


P.S. - Christ spoke aramaic not greek. And there is only one word for Rock in Aramiaic. Kepha.

"And I shall call you Kepha"

Christ is the Head!

Peter is the Rock!

"and I will give YOU(Kepha) the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

Thats why when you go to the Vatican(where Peters tomb is) you will see a statue of Peter with Keys in his hand

Ah yes, Jewish "peter" again once again being used to convert Christians to roman catholicism.

http://www.christianforums.com/t3006763-why-jews-cannot-accept-isa-pbuh-as-a-prophet.html&page=11

Isaiah 28:17 And-I-place judgement for-tape and-righteousness for-plummet and-he-shall-shovel hail refuge-of lie and-concealment waters, and-they-shall-overflow.
18 And-shall-be-atoned/kaphar, Covenant-of-you with death, and-seer with Sheol, not she-shall-be-rise, scourge

Reve 1:18 and the living One! And I became dead, and behold, I am living into the Ages of the Ages, and I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death

 

[PostTribber]

By the which ~no man~ can SAY except by the Holy Spirit (given of the Father) not of themelves

...

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ah yes, Jewish "peter" again once again being used to convert Christians to roman catholicism.

http://www.christianforums.com/t3006763-why-jews-cannot-accept-isa-pbuh-as-a-prophet.html&page=11

Isaiah 28:17 And-I-place judgement for-tape and-righteousness for-plummet and-he-shall-shovel hail refuge-of lie and-concealment waters, and-they-shall-overflow.
18 And-shall-be-atoned/kaphar, Covenant-of-you with death, and-seer with Sheol, not she-shall-be-rise, scourge

Reve 1:18 and the living One! And I became dead, and behold, I am living into the Ages of the Ages, and I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death

What language is this?

Mark 14:70 And he denied it again. And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto.

I went to look it up and actually found a kool link

Bible Topics: Language

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What language is this?

Mark 14:70 And he denied it again. And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto.

I went to look it up and actually found a kool link

Bible Topics: Language

Fireinfolding

Hi Fire. I had a thread started on "Galileans" that I forgot all about LOL.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5466792-men-of-galilee-acts-1-question.html#post37119052
men-of-galilee-acts-1-question

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hi Fire. I had a thread started on "Galileans" that I forgot all about LOL.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5466792-men-of-galilee-acts-1-question.html#post37119052
men-of-galilee-acts-1-question

I was on that thread with you

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was on that thread with you

Ooops.
I see you are also on the "rapture" thread on the "Twilight Zone" board.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ooops.
I see you are also on the "rapture" thread on the "Twilight Zone" board.

Yeah once and awhile a topic will catch my attention

 

[LLWHA]

The LIES the LIES!! Its a conspiracy! Because my preacher said so!


P.S. - Christ spoke aramaic not greek. And there is only one word for Rock in Aramiaic. Kepha.

"And I shall call you Kepha"

Christ is the Head!

Peter is the Rock!

"and I will give YOU(Kepha) the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

Thats why when you go to the Vatican(where Peters tomb is) you will see a statue of Peter with Keys in his hand

"What would Christ do if He could see? What would He, who rode on a donkey, think about the luxurious car, with the ornate throne as a seat? What would He say, if He saw the portfolio of the Vatican (stock-market) shares? What would He do if He saw all the treasures of the Vatican, treasures which could be used to alleviate ignorance by improving education? What would be His reaction to the comfortable lives of the members of the Curia? If Christ suddenly appeared in the middle of St. Peter's Square and said: "Leave your riches and follow me," I wonder how many would. I'd like to know what would happen to Him if He knocked on the Vatican door saying: "You speak in my name. You invoke me. I have come to tell you that you are misinterpreting my teachings." But I know exactly what would happen. The authorities would instantly call the Roman police, in accordance with the Lateran Agreements of 1929, and accuse Him of being anti-establishment, and of disturbing the peace. He would not be judged as before, however, but sent to a mental ward and classified as a maniac impersonator of Jesus Christ.'- Monsignor Semprione

"The entire catholic religion; EMPIRE and its vast obscene fortune was/is built on nothing but LIES and deceit. Peter was NEVER a Pope of Rome. He lived; died and was buried IN JERUSALEM (at the site of what is now a Franciscan Monastery called Dominus Flevit, according to an ex-JESUIT BISHOP, who got his information from The VATICAN. Peter's grave was found, around 1960, in Jerusalem), NOT in Rome. All of the EVIDENCE suggests that; as he was COMMANDED not to by Jesus ( note well - Matt. 10:5); Peter never even VISITED Rome.

5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The "so-called christian" religion, which in reality is the Babylonian MYSTERY Religion of Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17, was started NOT by Simon Peter but by Simon Pater, "the sorceror" referred to in Acts 8 v 9, who was condemned by Simon Peter himself in Acts 8 v 20 and his new religion called "christianity"(the TRUE followers of Christ called themselves "Covenanters" or "Followers of The Way"), was condemned by Paul/Saul in his letters (Epistles) e.g. Galatians 1:6-7 etc., and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2; and by Christ Himself in Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 17 and 18."

2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom The Way of Truth shall be evil spoken of.

Galatians
1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel (christianity):
1:7 Which is not another (because they "call" it christianity); but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the [True] gospel of Christ.

And PERVERT it the catholic church DID.


There Is No Other Gospel
6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

So if Peter did not start this evil Calthic church and Paul did not start this evil church that has its priests called father who did. It was that evil sorcerer Simon Pater.

In that one sentence above you have two thing that go against the Words of Jesus. We are all brothers (no priests) and no one is to be called father but God in Heaven. So this evil church opposes God. It is of satan the devil.

"It has been [SIZE=+1]known[SIZE=+1] for centuries that [SIZE=+1]the[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Vatican[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]is "The Mother of Harlots"[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] referred to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]by Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17; which explains [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]perfectly[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that it is that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]great CITY (Vatican CITY)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that rules over the kings of the earth; that sits on [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]7 mountains (Rome)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], where the inhabitants wear [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]SCARLET (cardinals)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PURPLE (bishops)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] decked with [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]gold[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]precious stones[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]pearls[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and calls itself "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]" church.

However, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] calls her "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother of Abominations[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]"; his [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and the great [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]harlot[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]He[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]NOT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the pope, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]MUST be right.
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]
That is [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]WHY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Vatican, to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HIDE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Truth about itself, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROHIBITED[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]possession[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]reading[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Holy Bible[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]for centuries[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]. (Don't you think it strange for a religion to prohibit its followers from having and reading God's Book? Ever wondered [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]why[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]?). The very fact that they did this [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVES[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] exactly who and what they are and that they are actually [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ's ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and are actively and vigorously fighting for Satan against Christ (Rev./Apoc. 17:14-18). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The Vatican also sells a [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]false[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of "The Ten Commandments" which [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]purposely[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] ommits COMMANDment number 2; the one about not making and/or bowing down to graven images and idols; even though the Catholic Bible itself includes the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]CORRECT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of COMMANDments (Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 4:16 and 5:8-10); [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVING[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] full well that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]DOING WRONG[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; that they are not only disobeying but are actually committing [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]TREASON[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] against God and that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]teaching idolatry[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; for which God [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]COMMANDS[/SIZE][SIZE=+1],[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] REPEATEDLY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in The Torah/Pentateuch/Covenant/Song of Moses, endorsed by Christ (Rev./Apoc. 14:3 and 15:3), that they, and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ALL[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], who do that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HAVE TO BE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] stoned to death." JAH
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]How can any thinking person defend the catholic church. Who destroyed Gods Temple the first time? Babylon. Babylon was defeated in a great war and fled and started over in Rome. This group has been the arch enemy of The House of Israel and The House of Judah. This group murdered and enslaved God Chosen people and there is no way that Gods Church is in the middle of Babylon (Rome). Rome destroyed the second Temple.

This evil church is a fraud and anti Christ as are her daughters.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

This evil church is a fraud and anti Christ as are her daughters.

Guess that leave me out as I am neither catholic nor protestant.

 

[Trento]

"What would Christ do if He could see? What would He, who rode on a donkey, think about the luxurious car, with the ornate throne as a seat? What would He say, if He saw the portfolio of the Vatican (stock-market) shares? What would He do if He saw all the treasures of the Vatican, treasures which could be used to alleviate ignorance by improving education? What would be His reaction to the comfortable lives of the members of the Curia? If Christ suddenly appeared in the middle of St. Peter's Square and said: "Leave your riches and follow me," I wonder how many would. I'd like to know what would happen to Him if He knocked on the Vatican door saying: "You speak in my name. You invoke me. I have come to tell you that you are misinterpreting my teachings." But I know exactly what would happen. The authorities would instantly call the Roman police, in accordance with the Lateran Agreements of 1929, and accuse Him of being anti-establishment, and of disturbing the peace. He would not be judged as before, however, but sent to a mental ward and classified as a maniac impersonator of Jesus Christ.'- Monsignor Semprione

"The entire catholic religion; EMPIRE and its vast obscene fortune was/is built on nothing but LIES and deceit. Peter was NEVER a Pope of Rome. He lived; died and was buried IN JERUSALEM (at the site of what is now a Franciscan Monastery called Dominus Flevit, according to an ex-JESUIT BISHOP, who got his information from The VATICAN. Peter's grave was found, around 1960, in Jerusalem), NOT in Rome. All of the EVIDENCE suggests that; as he was COMMANDED not to by Jesus ( note well - Matt. 10:5); Peter never even VISITED Rome.

5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The "so-called christian" religion, which in reality is the Babylonian MYSTERY Religion of Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17, was started NOT by Simon Peter but by Simon Pater, "the sorceror" referred to in Acts 8 v 9, who was condemned by Simon Peter himself in Acts 8 v 20 and his new religion called "christianity"(the TRUE followers of Christ called themselves "Covenanters" or "Followers of The Way"), was condemned by Paul/Saul in his letters (Epistles) e.g. Galatians 1:6-7 etc., and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2; and by Christ Himself in Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 17 and 18."

2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom The Way of Truth shall be evil spoken of.

Galatians
1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel (christianity):
1:7 Which is not another (because they "call" it christianity); but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the [True] gospel of Christ.

And PERVERT it the catholic church DID.


There Is No Other Gospel
6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

So if Peter did not start this evil Calthic church and Paul did not start this evil church that has its priests called father who did. It was that evil sorcerer Simon Pater.

In that one sentence above you have two thing that go against the Words of Jesus. We are all brothers (no priests) and no one is to be called father but God in Heaven. So this evil church opposes God. It is of satan the devil.

"It has been [SIZE=+1]known[SIZE=+1] for centuries that [SIZE=+1]the[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Vatican[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]is "The Mother of Harlots"[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] referred to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]by Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17; which explains [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]perfectly[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that it is that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]great CITY (Vatican CITY)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that rules over the kings of the earth; that sits on [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]7 mountains (Rome)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], where the inhabitants wear [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]SCARLET (cardinals)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PURPLE (bishops)[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] decked with [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]gold[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]precious stones[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]pearls[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and calls itself "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]" church.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]However, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] calls her "[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Mother of Abominations[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]"; his [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and the great [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]harlot[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]He[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]NOT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the pope, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]MUST be right.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]That is [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]WHY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Vatican, to [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HIDE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the Truth about itself, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROHIBITED[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]possession[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]reading[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] of the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Holy Bible[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]for centuries[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]. (Don't you think it strange for a religion to prohibit its followers from having and reading God's Book? Ever wondered [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]why[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]?). The very fact that they did this [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVES[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] exactly who and what they are and that they are actually [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Christ's ENEMY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] and are actively and vigorously fighting for Satan against Christ (Rev./Apoc. 17:14-18). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The Vatican also sells a [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]false[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of "The Ten Commandments" which [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]purposely[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] ommits COMMANDment number 2; the one about not making and/or bowing down to graven images and idols; even though the Catholic Bible itself includes the [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]CORRECT[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] list of COMMANDments (Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 4:16 and 5:8-10); [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]PROVING[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] that they [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]KNOW[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] full well that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]DOING WRONG[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; that they are not only disobeying but are actually committing [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]TREASON[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] against God and that they are [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]teaching idolatry[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]; for which God [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]COMMANDS[/SIZE][SIZE=+1],[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] REPEATEDLY[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] in The Torah/Pentateuch/Covenant/Song of Moses, endorsed by Christ (Rev./Apoc. 14:3 and 15:3), that they, and [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ALL[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], who do that [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]HAVE TO BE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] stoned to death." JAH[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]How can any thinking person defend the catholic church. Who destroyed Gods Temple the first time? Babylon. Babylon was defeated in a great war and fled and started over in Rome. This group has been the arch enemy of The House of Israel and The House of Judah. This group murdered and enslaved God Chosen people and there is no way that Gods Church is in the middle of Babylon (Rome). Rome destroyed the second Temple.

This evil church is a fraud and anti Christ as are her daughters.

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Yep God lets Satan establish the Catholic Church to survive for 2000 years leading billions into the eternal fire, then splits His body into thousands of pieces in less than 500 years in direct opposition of Christ prayer that we should all be one unified body as He and the Father.

 

[LLWHA]

Guess that leave me out as I am neither catholic nor protestant.

You appear to be a wise and smart man.

 

[LLWHA]

Yep God lets Satan establish the Catholic Church to survive for 2000 years leading billions into the eternal fire, then splits His body into thousands of pieces in less than 500 years in direct opposition of Christ prayer that we should all be one unified body as He and the Father.

One community of Christ!!

Not one idol filled false church.

God lets men have free will to believe lies told by blind guides.

 

[sunlover1]

God lets men have free will to believe lies told by blind guides.

Yes He does let us have free will to believe truth or lies.

Thank you for mentioning it.

 

[tadoflamb]

Guess that leave me out as I am neither catholic nor protestant.

You must be one of those "true Christians" I keep hearing about.

 

[tadoflamb]

You appear to be a wise and smart man.

Hey Saint Steve,

It looks like you've found a friend!

God bless,

Tad