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Pennsylvania DA won't charge officer who shot jailed man, thinking gun was Taser

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by SummerMadness, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. SummerMadness

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    Pennsylvania DA won't charge officer who shot jailed man, thinking gun was Taser
     
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  2. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think this was the appropriate outcome. He shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun again as a law enforcement officer. Hopefully he won't be hired as such on another police force. I would imagine that there will be a lawsuit.

    The officer was placed on administrative leave and retired from the police department on April 10, the district attorney's office said. The police department did not respond to a request for comment.
     
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  3. SummerMadness

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    The problem is he retires and he is able to continue to cash a check at the county's expense. An act like his, accident or not, should not be reward with administrative shuffling, which happens too often. He violated policy, but that wasn't the only problem. When violation of policy leads to the death or maiming of a human being, ho-hum administrative shuffling should not occur. It's a lack of accountability and the city is the one left holding the bag, whether it is financing this officer's lifestyle or paying damages to the victims.
     
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  4. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Because they said 'retired' doesn't mean he actually retired with benefits, it may not. It may just mean that he left rather than being fired. idk
    I agree with you that he shouldn't receive benefits, this was a very serious violation that could have resulted in a young man's death.
     
  5. SummerMadness

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    If he retired without benefits, that's okay I guess. But retiring after shooting someone without some recompense for the victim seems a bit twisted in my opinion.
     
  6. thecolorsblend

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    It's an understandable mistake. Could happen to anybody, I'm sure.

    Not really though, this is messed up.
     
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  7. thecolorsblend

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    Or a lot twisted. If anybody else made that mistake, they would've been up on charges.
     
  8. variant

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    How exactly does one mistake a taser for a gun?
     
  9. keith99

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    That is an excellent question. None of the tasers I have seen look or would feel at all similar to a gun. Probably in large part to make sure something like this does not happen.
     
  10. SummerMadness

    SummerMadness Senior Veteran

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    The policy quoted says the officer must put their taser on the side of their non-dominant hand. What happens too often is policies are neglected or violated and no one is punished.
     
  11. dgiharris

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    fixed your post

    This is part of the problem with law enforcement. We continuously hold Law Enforcement to a LOWER STANDARD than we hold ourselves to. As such, this has a host of Unintended Consequences.

    One of the Unintended Consequences is that many Law Enforcement types feel that citizens of this country are "beneath them". They view citizens like subjects to be ruled over. And why not, they can basically shoot you and get away with it. They can literally murder you and then later make up whatever flimsy nonsensical excuse and sprinkle in a "I feared for my life" and that is that, swept under the rug, a little administrative shuffling, no harm no foul...

    Police should simply be held to a higher standard commensurate to the amount of power they have over the citizenry. They literally have the power of life and death over us and yet we will accept the most incompetent and moronic buffoonery of behavior from them time and time again...

    As someone who trained people in gun safety, it is literally impossible for you to mistake a gun for a taser. Absolutely impossible and doubly so if you are a trained professional.

    But I will say this, as a trained professional in which that is your job, legally there should be no defense whatsoever. Even for the sake of argument if we believe you, you should still go to jail for criminal negligence and incompetence...
     
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    The problem of course is that the officer in question seemed to lack either training or professionalism, or the basic sense to not fire a gun at someone they don't intend to, even accidentally.

    "We" no, the professionals that oversee law enforcement seem to hold them to a lower standard than the general public. I in the same situation absolutely would have, at least, been charged with negligence if I had meant to tase someone and shot them instead.

    The problem here is that I can't imagine making the same mistake and I am not a trained professional.
     
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    It's never a good idea, for quality control purposes, to establish a culture where rules are basically just overlooked.
     
  14. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Well he did earn that check. He's not getting retirement money for this particular incident...he's getting it for his years of service to the community.

    He performed years of service to the community, earning a retirement in the process. I agree that he made a mistake...but the conclusion seems to be that it was an accident, in the performance of his duty, and not intentional.

    I don't see why this one mistake would negate the years of service he performed. That sounds extremely vindictive and unjustified. Do you have something personal bias against the police or something?
     
  15. dgiharris

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    What is so strange is that in every other profession, the law holds said profession to a higher standard.

    Lets say for instance that I invite you to my house and I cook you a meal and I give you food poisoning. You decide to sue me and you will easily win the cost of any medical bills you incurred and that would more or less be the case.

    however, instead of me being a normal person, lets say that I'm a trained chef that owns a restaurant and you suffer food poisoning at my restaurant. Now, that same lawsuit has teeth. Now, you would be awarded a lot more money because the law recognizes that I should have known better because I'm a professional...

    Yet, law enforcement is never held to the same standard as other professions. It's so weird. I don't know what sort of group think allows for such a contrarian standard...
     
  16. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    That's not a profession.

    Actually, I think you'd have to sue the restaurant. Whether or not the chef is named specifically would probably depend on factors like "does the chef own the restaurant".

    Chefs don't perform a function vital to a society. If we lose all chefs tomorrow, we probably won't fall apart.
     
  17. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Impossible?

    taser.jpg

    It looks like it's definitely "possible" to grab that and believe it's a gun....or vice versa.
     
  18. Aryeh Jay

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    The guy was a criminal trying to hide evidence of his crimes, he got what he deserved.
     
  19. Subduction Zone

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    He made the mistake, and also violated policy by having both gun and taser on the same side. If one has the two on opposite sides of the body one is less likely to make this sort of error.
     
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