Paul: "Christ is our Life" Colossians 3:4.

[RobertPate]

Religion is man's attempt to re-habilitate his fallen Adamic nature by the deeds of the law.

Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

Works, laws and religion are the deeds of the law. They count for nothing in God's court. If you go into the judgment and profess your works or your obedience as the grounds for your salvation, you will probably disappear in a puff of smoke. Matthew 7:21-23.

God and his Son Jesus Christ are not in the business of re-habilitating man's fallen nature by the works of the law. In the Gospel, Jesus comes into the world and embraces our fallen humanity and puts it to death, Romans 6:6. In the Gospel, God resurrects Jesus Christ and brings forth a new humanity, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

When a person comes to Christ as a repentant sinner to be saved by him many spiritual things take place that he is not aware of. God spiritually places him in Christ. God only sees him in Christ. Because God sees him in Christ, he is sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. Spiritually he has been crucified with Christ and risen with Christ, and is now a new creation in Jesus Christ.

His old Adamic life of sin and failure has been put to death in Jesus Christ. The law says, "The soul that sins must die". Jesus died for us; his death is our death because he is our representative. When Jesus died all of humanity died with him. Jesus has victoriously atoned for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

Our real lives are hidden with Christ, Paul said, "For you are dead and your life is hidden with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3. This is our inheritance, incorruptible, and undefiled, that cannot fade away, reserved for us in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4. The message is, don't try to re-habilitate your old Adamic life that has ALREADY been crucified with Christ. It's like trying to feed a dead horse.

God ALREADY sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. Those that are "In Christ" have ceased from their own works (religion) and have entered into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. We are basking in the righteousness of Christ and in his perfect atonement for our sins because "Christ is our life".

 

[BobRyan]

1 Cor 6:

7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather suffer the wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves do wrong and defraud. And this to your brothers and sisters!

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.​

Rom 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified.

Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

James 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law. 12 So speak, and so act, as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.


NEW Covenant - Heb 8:6-12 writes the LAW of God on the heart. The one known to Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-34 according to Hebrews 8.

1 John 2:1 "sin not".
1 John 3:4 "sin IS transgression of the LAW"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

 

[d taylor]

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There are some who may still be trying to earn eternal life salvation by keeping the law.

But many now are creating their own requirements for earning eternal life salvation. These requirements may vary between denomination's and churches but they all have one thing in common they are trying to earn eternal life.

Example a church/pastor/person may have as their salvation plan: repentance, obedience and they may throw in faith (as they define it) as the requirements to receive eternal life salvation.

Another may have repentance (repentance is usually in all of these salvation plans) baptism, commitment, confession of Christ.

But they all require several things a person must do to receive eternal life salvation.

 

[BobRyan]

Someone might says something like "do not take God's name in vain" and argue that this is certain since the Word of God actually states it.

But you could get a "not so fast" response to such an idea.

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These requirements may vary between denomination's and churches but they all have one thing in common they are trying to earn eternal life.

Example a church/pastor/person may have as their salvation plan: repentance, obedience and they may throw in faith (as they define it) as the requirements to receive eternal life salvation.

Another may have repentance (repentance is usually in all of these salvation plans) baptism, commitment, confession of Christ.

But they all require several things a person must do to receive eternal life salvation.

So the question then is whether one should immediately go for the idea of not taking God's name in vain or whether perhaps some reflection on the idea that complying with such a thing might be an effor to "earn eternal life".

I suspect it is not - but what do others say?

 

[Soyeong]

Religion is man's attempt to re-habilitate his fallen Adamic nature by the deeds of the law.

There is no dictionary that lists that as a definition of religion, so you are making up your own definition while rejecting the religion that God instrituted.

Paul said, "Therefore, by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

God's law was never given as a means of earning our justification, which is that much more true for man-made works of the law, but that does not mean that we are not obligated to obey God's law for the purposes for which it was given. Is is not as though the fact that we don't earn our justification by obeying God means that we don't need to obey God.

Works, laws and religion are the deeds of the law. They count for nothing in God's court. If you go into the judgment and profess your works or your obedience as the grounds for your salvation, you will probably disappear in a puff of smoke. Matthew 7:21-23.

In Acts 5:32, Paul said that the Spirit is given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2, Paul denied that works of the law are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore you are incorrect to interpret the phrase "works of the law" as referring to God's law.

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and the Father has made his will known through what He has commanded (Psalms 40:8), yet for some reason you think that doing the will of God counts for nothing in His court, as if what counts in God's court is rebelling against His will. Furthermore, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus did not say that he would tell those who are doers of the law to depart from him because he never knew them, but rather he will say that to those who are workers of lawlessness, which is what you promote.

God and his Son Jesus Christ are not in the business of re-habilitating man's fallen nature by the works of the law. In the Gospel, Jesus comes into the world and embraces our fallen humanity and puts it to death, Romans 6:6. In the Gospel, God resurrects Jesus Christ and brings forth a new humanity, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, which is what you speak against. In Ephesians 2:10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, and God's law is His instructions for how to equip us for doing good works, which again you also reject.

When a person comes to Christ as a repentant sinner to be saved by him many spiritual things take place that he is not aware of. God spiritually places him in Christ. God only sees him in Christ. Because God sees him in Christ, he is sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. Spiritually he has been crucified with Christ and risen with Christ, and is now a new creation in Jesus Christ.

is old Adamic life of sin and failure has been put to death in Jesus Christ. The law says, "The soul that sins must die". Jesus died for us; his death is our death because he is our representative. When Jesus died all of humanity died with him. Jesus has victoriously atoned for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

Our real lives are hidden with Christ, Paul said, "For you are dead and your life is hidden with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3. This is our inheritance, incorruptible, and undefiled, that cannot fade away, reserved for us in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4. The message is, don't try to re-habilitate your old Adamic life that has ALREADY been crucified with Christ. It's like trying to feed a dead horse.

God ALREADY sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. Those that are "In Christ" have ceased from their own works (religion) and have entered into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. We are basking in the righteousness of Christ and in his perfect atonement for our sins because "Christ is our life".

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to Gods law, so those who speak against walking in the same way that Christ walked should not consider themselves to be in Christ, and thus should not consider Ephesians 1:13 or Colossians 2:10 or Colossians 3:3 or 1 Peter 1:4 or Hebrews 4:10 to be speaking about them.

 

[d taylor]

Someone might says something like "do not take God's name in vain" and argue that this is certain since the Word of God actually states it.

But you could get a "not so fast" response to such an idea.

​

So the question then is whether one should immediately go for the idea of not taking God's name in vain or whether perhaps some reflection on the idea that complying with such a thing might be an effor to "earn eternal life".

I suspect it is not - but what do others say?

But where is the condition listed in The Bible, that not taking God's name in vain. Is a condition listed by God to receive His free gift of Eternal Life.

It is not, but one who believes it is, will make The Bible allude to be saying, that it is. Of course they can never show a verse that plainly states this.

Like is shown of (faith belief trust) in The Messiah to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

 

[RobertPate]

God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners, which we are all one of. If God accepted the works or the obedience of sinners that would make him unrighteous. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ. We are accepted only in him and because of him.

If you have been born after Adam, you are a sinner. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12.

Even if you were able to keep the law, which you can't. You are still a sinner, born after Adam. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.
You need a savior, not an instructor.

 

[BobRyan]

But where is the condition listed in The Bible, that not taking God's name in vain. Is a condition listed by God to receive His free gift of Eternal Life.

Exactly. Does God say that the lost person will "earn salvation" and have no need of the Gospel if one day they decide not to take God's name in vain?

No?

Well then can the Christian take God's name in vain and not give it a second thought as if 1 Cor 6 does not exist??

 

[BobRyan]

God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners, which we are all one of. If God accepted the works or the obedience of sinners that would make him unrighteous. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ. We are accepted only in him and because of him.

If you have been born after Adam, you are a sinner. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12.

Even if you were able to keep the law, which you can't. You are still a sinner, born after Adam. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.
You need a savior, not an instructor.

In Romans 2 God says draws the following line between the saved and the lost...

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and restraint and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will repay each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life; 8 but to those who are self-serving and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of mankind who does evil, for the Jew first and also for the Greek, 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who does what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

 

[d taylor]

Exactly. Does God say that the lost person will "earn salvation" and have no need of the Gospel if one day they decide not to take God's name in vain?

No?

Well then can the Christian take God's name in vain and not give it a second thought as if 1 Cor 6 does not exist??

Some may, but for those believers it will not affect where they spend eternity. It may effect their position in rewards but it will not cause them to lose their Eternal Life.

 

[RobertPate]

In Romans 2 God says draws the following line between the saved and the lost...

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and restraint and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will repay each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life; 8 but to those who are self-serving and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of mankind who does evil, for the Jew first and also for the Greek, 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who does what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

If you are not found in Christ in the judgement you will perish. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do to save yourself. Even if you were able to keep the law. Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

 

[Soyeong]

God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners, which we are all one of. If God accepted the works or the obedience of sinners that would make him unrighteous. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ. We are accepted only in him and because of him.

If you have been born after Adam, you are a sinner. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12.

I'll agree that all have sinned, but everything else you said are things that you've made up that are not taught by the Bible. In Hebrews 5:9, the Son became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him.

Even if you were able to keep the law, which you can't.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God's word says that His law is not too difficult for us to obey, so you can either choose to have faith in God's word, are you can accuse God of lying.

You are still a sinner, born after Adam. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

There are many people described in the Bible as righteous, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9), and Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-6), so it is false that no one is righteous, but rather Paul was referencing Psalms 14:1-3, where it says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God.

You need a savior, not an instructor.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously instructing us to do these works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, which is the role of our savior. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so our savor instructing us to live in obedience to God's law is intrinsically the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

 

[Soyeong]

If you are not found in Christ in the judgement you will perish. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do to save yourself. Even if you were able to keep the law. Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walked in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to God's law, so those who refuse to walk in the same way he walked in accordance with what you teach will not be found in Christ.

 

[Soyeong]

But where is the condition listed in The Bible, that not taking God's name in vain. Is a condition listed by God to receive His free gift of Eternal Life.

It is not, but one who believes it is, will make The Bible allude to be saying, that it is. Of course they can never show a verse that plainly states this.

Like is shown of (faith belief trust) in The Messiah to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where them doing the work of driving it does not detract from the fact that the opportunity to try it was completely given to them as a gift. In a similar, manner, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3), and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's law is His instructions for how to know Him and Jesus.

This is also why Jesus said in Matthew 19:17 that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. Likewise, in Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the two greatest commandments. In Hebrews 5:9, the Son became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who preserver in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so the experience of obeying God's law is the content of His gift of eternal life. Verses like the ones that I've listed combined with the verses that say that the way to enter eternal life is by believing in Jesus also means that God's law is His instructions for how to believe in Jesus.

 

[d taylor]

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where them doing the work of driving it does not detract from the fact that the opportunity to try it was completely given to them as a gift. In a similar, manner, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3), and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's law is His instructions for how to know Him and Jesus.

This is also why Jesus said in Matthew 19:17 that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. Likewise, in Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the two greatest commandments. In Hebrews 5:9, the Son became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who preserver in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so the experience of obeying God's law is the content of His gift of eternal life. Verses like the ones that I've listed combined with the verses that say that the way to enter eternal life is by believing in Jesus also means that God's law is His instructions for how to believe in Jesus.

I have read your spiel before, so really do not need to read it again.

 

[RobertPate]

I'll agree that all have sinned, but everything else you said are things that you've made up that are not taught by the Bible. In Hebrews 5:9, the Son became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him.



In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God's word says that His law is not too difficult for us to obey, so you can either choose to have faith in God's word, are you can accuse God of lying.



There are many people described in the Bible as righteous, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9), and Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-6), so it is false that no one is righteous, but rather Paul was referencing Psalms 14:1-3, where it says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God.



In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously instructing us to do these works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, which is the role of our savior. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so our savor instructing us to live in obedience to God's law is intrinsically the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

Righteousness in the New Testament is not by works, obedience, laws or religion. Righteousness is by faith, Romans 4:5. You are trying to do in your flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ. You need a savior, not an instructor.

 

[RobertPate]

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walked in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to God's law, so those who refuse to walk in the same way he walked in accordance with what you teach will not be found in Christ.

We are not obligated to do anything except to have faith in Jesus.

 

[RobertPate]

I'll agree that all have sinned, but everything else you said are things that you've made up that are not taught by the Bible. In Hebrews 5:9, the Son became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him.



In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God's word says that His law is not too difficult for us to obey, so you can either choose to have faith in God's word, are you can accuse God of lying.



There are many people described in the Bible as righteous, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9), and Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-6), so it is false that no one is righteous, but rather Paul was referencing Psalms 14:1-3, where it says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God.



In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously instructing us to do these works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, which is the role of our savior. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so our savor instructing us to live in obedience to God's law is intrinsically the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

The only condition to be saved is to have faith in Jesus.

 

[Soyeong]

Righteousness in the New Testament is not by works, obedience, laws or religion. Righteousness is by faith, Romans 4:5. You are trying to do in your flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ. You need a savior, not an instructor.

You can keep saying that, but not without ignoring all of the verses that say otherwise.

We are not obligated to do anything except to have faith in Jesus.

God's law is His instructions for how to have faith in Jesus.

 

[RobertPate]

You can keep saying that, but not without ignoring all of the verses that say otherwise.



God's law is His instructions for how to have faith in Jesus.

On the day of Pentecost over 8,000 Jews heard Peter preach the Gospel and were saved.
Faith does not come by the law. Faith comes by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17. You need to listen to the New Covenant and shelve the Old Covenant.