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izarya

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Surveys suggest that at least 80% of Americans (the most skeptical society) believe in the existence of ghosts and paranormal activity.

Is there anyone out there who is interested in the paranormal? This is not limited to Ghosts and or poltergeist activity, but near death and O.B.E's, UFO sightings and abductions, Crypotzoology and cryptids, etc...

Do you have any family ghost stories that you would like to share?
How about your own personal paranormal experiences?
 

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Word of advice for anyone interested in paranormal investigation and EVP; do NOT practice using your brand new digital voice recorder for picking up EVPs in your home!

One of my associates made this mistake over the weekend while I was on a boat away on a vomiting...I mean fishing trip. He asked about 6 general questions after beginning with the statement, "I welcome any and all spirits present who wish to communicate."

Apparently, in so doing he inadvertently opened some kind of door because he actually got something more than he expected...Results! Which totally freaked him out and made him unable to sleep in his house. We spent the better part of last night and this morning "cleansing" his home.
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This is kind of dark and morbid but that's the nature of the field:

I have an on-site investigation lined up; hopefully, it's gonna be a doozy! We're going be investigating the house of one Jerry Brudos. Apparently, Mr. Brudos was a bit of a serial killer. He is rumored to have abducted and murdered about 12 young women, but he was only convicted of and confessed to 4. He butchered them in his home's garage and kept "souvenirs" from his victims.
Over the last 10 years the house has been bought and sold 8 times! No one stays too long.

Here's an article about the guy.
 
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Iz, it had never occured to me before, but when my father died in 2002 he died in a hospital bed. Why do we not hear more stories about hospitals being "haunted" than we do about houses and the like?
Actually, there are! You have to talk to the night staff. Mental hospitals also abound with such accounts, it seems that places where great pain and suffering or psychological trauma occurred are more prone to this type of activity. I have my own theories, but they are just that, theories... that's what got me interested in investigation, testing my theories against real circumstances.
 
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Personally, I believe that human fear has a lot to do with it and night-time and darkness are a natural catalyst for human fear. If you build that fear up among a group of people through something such as an urban legend or ghost story.....
it can be explosive.

There was a study done once, try googling "a ghost named Philip."
 
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So are you saying that the ghosts feed off of this energy of fear and make themselves more apparent in the dark; OR, are you saying that the fear is greater because of night-time paranormal activity?

Not disagreeing at all, but truly curious.
Paranoia in general, mixed with an inherent fear of the dark, feeds things yes. Fear is palpable to those who use it against others, animal can sense or smell it as well. As a Christian, I do not believe in departed human souls inhabiting the earth, but from my past occultic training I am thoroughly familiar with the world of "astral junk."
 
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Iz I agree with you that demonic activity can (and does) work on the same principals. My mother was really into the occult and hauntings was one of her favorite subjects. There have been many things in my life that only fit in the paranormal or supernatural area. How is your friend doing after his experience? Fear is a major attraction for this activity, so are teenagers, probably because they have so much conflict and fear about being accepted/rejected etc. This should get interesting.
 
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After posting here last night I really thought long and hard about sharing an experience with others this maybe a mistake but I have never been able to reconcile what happened with my faith.

When I was 4 my family rented and moved into a house out in the country, an awesome two story wood frame house, very large and roomy with wood floors on top of a hill surrounded by fields of alfalfa (hay).

After we moved in strange things began to happen, very strange things. My father was a Christian and refused to ever talk about the ‘ghost’. Children saw it, adults saw it and heard it etc. We nicknamed it George, I have no idea why. Although I hated to get up at night and go to the bathroom down the long hall on the second story other than that it really didn’t bother me much, children are more accepting of this kind of thing, it just was.

There are many stories to tell of the years we lived in that house but I think there are two that stand out the most.

Once my parents were gone and we children were at home alone, it was during the day. We were not allowed to answer the door when our parents weren’t home. Some men came, probably looking for work and we would always point to the trees a mile or so away where the owner of the farms lived. Not thinking of the rules we ran to answer the back door but it was locked. This old house had the skeleton keys that fit inside the lock to open, it was never locked. We told George to unlock the door as we assumed it was he who locked it, it didn’t unlock. Then we heard the window in the den opening it had been left partially open and ran in there to see one of the men starting to climb in the window. The window came slamming down and locked while we were watching. Then we got scared not of George but of the men. They went away; we were safe, protected by a ‘ghost’ babysitter?

The second one was on Christmas day a few years later, my father was a light sleeper and if you touched him he came up swinging, he was a veteran of the 2nd world war. He awoke like that and went down stars to make coffee. He felt two hands push him from the back towards the fireplace in the living room, we had a large fire the night before and he could see nothing but the glowing embers. Something grabbed his hand and placed it one the wall next to the fire place it was burning hot. He called the fire department and got us all out of the house. The firemen knocked a hole in the wall from the outside and it was on fire inside the wall, if the flames had reached the wooden shingled roof, well it didn’t. There were no visible flames or smoke.

When I was twelve we bought a house and moved into town, we never talked about the haunting for obvious reasons, the house was rented many times after that but people wouldn’t stay for more than a few months. Finally the house was sold and moved to another location, I do not know where and I have often wondered if the ‘presence’ we called George moved with the house.

Has anyone ever heard of such a ‘haunting’? How does this relate to Christian faith? There are a few mentions in the early books of the Bible of needing to cleanse houses etc. this did not seem to be demonic in nature although I have been to houses where people were having problems with spiritual manifestations that were clearly malicious in nature and a cleansing had to be done. Any thoughts?


 
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Wow! Good question, I think that I normally think of demonic as being malicious. So I would say that when I said it did not appear to be demonic it would better convey my thought to have said it did not appear to be malicious.

However, then how do I explain this ‘presence’ it was a spirit of some sort that was able to interact with this world and it was conscious of what was going on in this time. In other words it wasn’t a replay imprint of the past. As I said I have never been able to reconcile this experience from what I have learned of the spiritual world. The Bible including what most people refer to as the Old Testament although I call The Tanach and The Chumash are the bases of my faith, I have studied many spiritual beliefs including Hebrew Kabbalah. No where have I found anything that explains this from a Christian perspective, in that human spirits should not somehow be trapped in this world.
 
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Thanks for starting this discussion. I started a discussion like this in another thread . I guess I am struggling. I know I am a christian, I know that Jesus Christ is my lord a savor, and I know that there is a such thing as paranormal activity and what I cant understand is how all of these things mesh together. I dont believe all paranomal activity that goes on is demonic. I believe there are good spirits and bad spirits although I have Never been a whitness to either. I know that when I was young around 7 or 8, my mom and I were driving home from dropping my dad of at work., It was rainy and wet. My mom lost control of the car and we spun in circles, never hitting anything. I remember being outside of my body in the air looking down at the car spinning and seeing my own arm in the vehicle hit back and forth against the door. By the time the car had stopped I was back inside the car inside my body. So I know that your spirit can be outside of your body and not necessarily be in heaven as I am witness to it. Now it might not be the exact same sort of thing but it does provide basis
 
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I started a discussion like this in another thread . I guess I am struggling. I know I am a christian, I know that Jesus Christ is my lord a savor, and I know that there is a such thing as paranormal activity and what I cant understand is how all of these things mesh together. I dont believe all paranomal activity that goes on is demonic. I believe there are good spirits and bad spirits although I have Never been a witness to either. I know that when I was young around 7 or 8, my mom and I were driving home from dropping my dad of at work., It was rainy and wet. My mom lost control of the car and we spun in circles, never hitting anything. I remember being outside of my body in the air looking down at the car spinning and seeing my own arm in the vehicle hit back and forth against the door. By the time the car had stopped I was back inside the car inside my body. So I know that your spirit can be outside of your body and not necessarily be in heaven as I am witness to it. Now it might not be the exact same sort of thing but it does provide basis
Have you ever heard people say, "I was beside myself"? You certainly were. That was your soul temporarily outside yourself. That's proof of the supernatural. Shamans invite demons into themselves that will enhance their ability to do that. The Holy Spirit doesn't allow us to use soulish powers for the kingdom. Read "The Latent Power of the Soul" by Watchman Nee for why this is so. But the Holy Spirit gives us informational gifts such as prophecy, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discerning of spirits and the combo gifts of tongues & interpretation. We need to ask for them.

There are "good" demons and "bad" demons. Have you ever heard of the good cop/bad cop routine for getting confessions? Two cops decide which will be "good" and which will be "bad." The bad cop comes in, acting half crazed and out of control. The good cop comes in, makes friends of the suspect and offers to 'try' to help against the bad cop. The good cop gets the confession. Both cops then take the confession to the prosecutor.

A demon will not say "Jesus Christ of Nazareth came in the flesh." 1 John 4:2,3 A demon will reflect the character of its master, Satan. This is independence, self-glorification, rebellion, fear, hate, etc. An angel of Jehovah will glorify Jehovah and promote dependence upon only Him. Often, you won't even know its an angel who is helping you.

There are lost souls on earth. I can't defend that statement in the Bible. They can't be cast out, because they aren't demons. I deal with them by pointing to Jesus' throne in heaven and call them to "come to Jesus." Things happen. The atmosphere is cleaned up.
 
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Joining in, Izzy.

I normally do the investigations for my shop, as I am the combat magick and evocation specialist. We have had the normal stuff, but we had a real interesting case back in the late nineties with a local boarding house. Seems that the original owner of the house had killed his wife then himself about a year after completion. From then on, so long as they let the room the original owner and his wife had slept in to a single person, all was well. But the minute they let the room to a couple, the couple would get increasingly weird until the man would try to kill the woman and then himself. They only had a few actual injuries and no deaths, so it took a while for people to put 2 and 2 together. Eventually they did and me and my team at the time went in.

I figured it was a weird case right off the bat, because it seemed contradictory. The fact the couples were re-enacting the events of the original owners implied a "drone" or "recording" ghost...a shell or klippoth for us "in the know" types. But drones can't possess, only a real honest-to-goodness psyche can do this, whether ghost or some other. But real ghosts and other spirits don't generally re-enact things. So the pre-investigation workup was contradictory. I looked to other cases.

I thought I could have a seriously bad scene, because the only other cases where I could find such a contradictory scene were in cases with a demonic infestation, such as the famous Amityville case. In that case, George Lutz was apparently influenced to take on the appearance and behavior of Ronald Defeo and go from room to room in a fugue state in the middle of the night in the same pattern Defeo had followed the night he murdered his family.

So after all of this, we go in. It was me (magicks), a medium named Raven, a power-amplifier named Sid, and a grounder named River.

First thing we did is track for hot and cold spots...and found none, which was weird. Then we planted our medium and got him tranced...again, nothing. Brought him up and and conferred. We had nothing. So I decided it was safer to assume the worse...demon or demons.

So I busted out a black felt mat, some powdered chalk and lime, and some glue and whipped up a Triangle of Manifestation. For you civilians, this is a magickal device meant to force a demon or spirit into manifestation and trap it in the circle. I get the incenses going and prepare some asafoetida and pull my Dagger of the Art, I donned the Five Treasures of Solomon, and got to work.

About 45 minutes of badly conjugated Latin peppered with Hebrew Holy Names later, and I am getting nowhere. Eventually I had to conclude there was nothing demonic, angelic, or otherwise anywhere within the domain of the house.

We were really, really stumped. We leave, and get drunk. Back in those days, for some reason I thought this helped. But the idea comes up of going to city hall and pulling the public records on the house. The next day we do that, and in the time it took to fill the request, we asked the current owner of the house for any details they had on the architecture of the house... it proved to be whole case. A couple weeks later we had it figured out.

The house had been built to be a boarding house, even though the original owner had not used it as such. The house had originally had 3 bathrooms, and the copper piping had gone in a ring around the pertinent bedroom...four pipes, at the bottom, top, and two evenly spaced in-between.

So what we had was an almost cubic room, bound all around with copper tubing with running water constantly running through it...we had an energy-trap. The original couple had the real issues, the room bound them in, and the couple just stewed in their own emotional juices while pouring in new nastiness as they continued manifesting it. Garbage in, garbage out, and the room never emptied out, so the room just became a sewer of dissent, despair, madness and hatred. Eventually when the guy killed his wife and then himself, the room trapped the murders and the horror of the people finding them. When a single person moved in, the dissent which was the main focus of the original emotional content stayed untriggered, and the room would simply continue storing up whatever the person there put in. But if it was a couple, any feelings of dissent would discharge the room like a huge battery, and the couple would start manifesting the discharge.

So in this case, the room didn't have a drone-ghost, the room was a drone-ghost, or rather a big storage matrix for energy. Fixing it was easy...thankfully the 3rd upstairs half-bathroom was no longer in use and had been remodeled as a closet, so one pipe was just capped off and was not in use. We clipped the pipe in the wall outside the room, capped it, and took out a section, breaking the semi-cube of copper and de-constructing the accidental "battery".

A long cleansing later, and the room was fine, and the problem never recurred. The owner later was able to sell the house at a profit.

We referred to the case forever after as "The Case of the House of Angles". What can I say? We tried to have fun and not take ourselves too seriously...for awhile we were very into puns..."The Case of the Evil Cemetery Plot", the "Evil Pyramid Scam", etc, etc...a way of dealing with the weirdness.

Anyway, I hope that tale earns me a place in the club!
 
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Being bored, I thought to read this.
Then I realized I had had activity many years ago.
My husband and I let two girls (fellow workers of mine, we were dancers) visit.
The red haired one said she needed to use the bathroom and needed salt.
Odd, but we let her. She was in there a long time.
They left.
Later that night, we went to bed as usual.
We awoke about 5 a.m. to see the bathroom light on (I had of course turned it off before bed) and the hot water pouring out of the tub faucet.
 
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