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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The Torah is of grace.

(CLV) Ps 119:29
Withdraw the false way from me, And favor (חָנַן) me with Your own law.

(חָנַן) Chanan (Grace)

Is this what you mean because if it is I disagree. Propitiaion comes thru Christ and the firstfruits could not be gathered before that, even tho He covers all.

To·rah
[ˈtôrə, tôˈrä, ˈtōrə]
NOUN
(the Torah)

1. (in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).
   • a scroll containing the Torah.

 

[HARK!]

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

When Yahshua speaks of Moses here; he is speaking of the Torah.

 

[HARK!]

Is this what you mean because if it is I disagree. Propitiaion comes thru Christ and the firstfruits could not be gathered before that, even tho He covers all.

To·rah
[ˈtôrə, tôˈrä, ˈtōrə]
NOUN
(the Torah)

1. (in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).
   • a scroll containing the Torah.

Maybe this will help. These aren't my words. This is scripture.

(CLV) Ps 119:29
Withdraw the false way from me, And favor (חָנַן) me with Your own law (תורה).

(חָנַן) Chanan (Grace)

(תורה) Torah (Law)

 

[HARK!]

'heart works'

Can you show me that in scripture; or did you make that up?

 

[Minister Monardo]

Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

When we believe that God is who He says He is, and that He rewards us for finding out who He says He is, then we have pleased God.

John 17:
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[HARK!]

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Hallelu Yah!

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Hallelu Yah!

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

Philippians 3:
6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.

8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ

9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,

11 if, by any means, I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

 

[Minister Monardo]

What is in our heart is expressed through our actions.

This is not a true statement. What is in the heart speaks to the motive behind the action.
Proverbs 21:
2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs the hearts.
3 To do righteousness and justice
Is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

Matthew 6:
1 Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.

Romans 2:
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

 

[Minister Monardo]

The Torah is of grace.

(CLV) Ps 119:29
Withdraw the false way from me, And favor (חָנַן) me with Your own law.

(חָנַן) Chanan (Grace)

Yes. Contrary to the ideas of many the Torah does not tell us how to act, it tells us what to ask for, that we may receive the grace to fulfull His Righteousness, even as David prays.
Psalm 119:
30 I have chosen the way of truth;
Your judgments I have laid before me.
31 I cling to Your testimonies;
O Lord, do not put me to shame!
32 I will run the course of Your commandments,
For You shall enlarge my heart.
33 Teach me, O Lord, the way of Your statutes,
And I shall keep it to the end.
34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law;
Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
35 Make me walk in the path of Your commandments, For I delight in it.
36 Incline my heart to Your testimonies,
And not to covetousness.

Psalm 143:10 Teach me to do Your will,
For You are my God; Your Spirit is good.
Lead me in the land of uprightness.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led
by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

1 John 3:
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Can you show me that in scripture; or did you make that up?

Romans 2:
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

 

[HARK!]

9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

(Concordant Literal Version) Php 3:9
and may be |found in Him, not having my righteousness, which is of law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is from God for faith:

Young's Literal Translation
not having my righteousness, which is of law, but that which is through faith of Christ -- the righteousness that is of God by the faith,

King James Bible
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

With the faithfulness of Messiah...

concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

...I suppose so.

 

[HARK!]

Romans 2:
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Irrelevant to the question. There is no such thing as "heart works."

 

[HARK!]

Contrary to the ideas of many the Torah does not tell us how to act

Say what?

(CLV) Ro 2:18
and know the will, and are testing what things are of consequence, being instructed out of the law.

(CLV) Ro 2:19
Besides, you have confidence in yourself to be a guide of the blind, a light of those in darkness,

(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.

 

[HARK!]

Galatians 5:14
For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

How do you reconcile that with what Messiah says?

29 Jesus answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord our God is one Lord." 30 And, You shall be loving the Lord God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept."

 

[Carl Emerson]

1 Cor 13
If I speak with the tongues of mankind and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give away all my possessions to charity, and if I surrender my body so that I may glory, but do not have love, it does me no good. ...

Jer 32
I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me. 41 I will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and all My soul.

 

[Carl Emerson]

How do you reconcile that with what Messiah says?

29 Jesus answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord our God is one Lord." 30 And, You shall be loving the Lord God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept."

Are you suggesting Paul was not inspired making that statement ???

 

[HARK!]

If I speak with the tongues of mankind and of angels, but do not have love

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

 

[Minister Monardo]

having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.

Romans 3:
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in(of?) Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.

How is the Law used lawfully?
"Ask and you shall receive"
John 15:
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Romans 10:
6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

Matthew 6:8 Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
James 4:
1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?
2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.

 

[HARK!]

Are you suggesting Paul was not inspired making that statement ???

Maybe you misread my post. I asked you to reconcile your post with what Yahshua said.