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Overcoming gluttony

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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?
 

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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?

I think I might have something useful to contribute here, unusually :p

It strikes me that you're finding ways to avoid addressing the real problem. By calling it sin, and gluttony, and 'weight', etc, you're avoiding confronting the cause. Or it's possible you don't know the cause, and are searching for that magic answer.

Obesity results from an EATING addiction, not a food addiction. There's a very big, and very important difference. So many overweight people seem to think it's food addiction, that I suspect this information isn't getting out nearly as well as it should. Mind you, there's a vested interest in calling it food addiction, in that it then becomes the substance causing the problem, not our actions. There are some foods which are addictive of course - refined sugars being a good example - but we're all prey to these.

The difference with obese people is that they become dependent on the ACT of eating. It's ritualistic, and emotionally satisfying to carry out these rituals. All sorts of comforts appear to be derived from the act, and anxiety can result from withholding from the act. Eventually the brain learns to send the 'hunger' message when it craves repetition of the act, so obese people will often say they feel hungry more than thin people. That's craving though, not strictly hunger. There will be additional hunger too, because the person is accustomed to a high calorie diet and takes longer to satisfy, but it's not overwhelming hunger - it only seems that way when the addiction craving is added.

So, forget about sin and gluttony etc, and focus your energy on overcoming an eating addiction.

PS: what is a 'thin glutton'?
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?

Humans are like goldfish and water is Sin. We are born into it.
The degree of how wet things are is not an issue.
There is only one solution to sin (or habits you want to change)
of any kind and that is to replace them with something else.
Identify the emotions or events that are triggers for you.
The more triggers you can accurately identify, the easier it
is to replace your habit-formed responses with new activities.
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?

Are you asking for help, or asking for advice, or seeking validation?

My brother was a lifelong alcoholic. I couldn't help him as he was too far gone even as a young man. I did however constantly advise him to stop drinking, advice that fell on deaf ears. His drinking finally killed him. Many who want 'help' really want someone to validate them and make them feel better about themselves. In the case of an alcoholic they like nothing better than for you to sit down and have a drink with them.

There is an old proverb that deals with helping others with such habits, that is, "If you lock up an alcoholic and a teetotaler in a room long enough you'll wind up with two alcoholics."
 
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There is an old proverb that deals with helping others with such habits, that is, "If you lock up an alcoholic and a teetotaler in a room long enough you'll wind up with two alcoholics."

That is a good one!
The bible sort of lumps the drunkard and glutton together--
(Pro 23:21) for the drunkard and the glutton shall become poor; and drowsiness clothes them in rags.


May I add something here
Remember the cause of the fall of Eve?-----It was not the act of eating, they had all sorts of other sources of food---it was eating what God said not to.
You might want to take a closer look at what you are eating and drinking, not just the act of eating itself---at least to begin with. Eating a pound of Whole wheat bread instead of white, will still keep you fat, but you'll be moving in a better direction. Once you have what you are eating better controlled, you can then go on to the amounts you are eating--that is if you are unable to do both. A bowl of mac and cheese is still fattening if you make the mac with WW or other grain, but it's a step. Replacing some of that volume with veggies instead will start you adding better health without affecting the volume. Deal with the volume as you bring in the fruits and veggies. 2 c of cooked carrots will fill you up as much as 1 c mac and cheese--but it won't taste the same and taste is the problem, we crave the fat, and the simple carbs. What's a potato without butter--better yet, butter, sour cream and cheese!! The potato is not the real culprit. You can start switching from butter and cheese to maybe coconut oil, adding a butter flavoring agent, helps. If you are a meat eater, then start with more veggies and a little less meat, increasing the veggies as you go. It is slow--- do not put anything in your mouth without praying--that helps, but we tend to over ride our conscience on that one!!
'Gluttony, if looking for excuses, can be subjective and depended on metabolism. I had a friend that HAD to drink not whole milk, but half and half--drinking cream can be difficult --she ate constantly, cheese, candy, pasta, meat, the more calories the better--if she didn't, she would weigh less than the 10-15 lbs she already was underweight!! If she went dancing and drinking, she had to drink the drinks that had cream in them and still keep eating all the more to make up for loosing calories dancing!! I could have easily hated her!!
If you are not disabled--just start moving more as you are able. It's harder the bigger you are, but move even when sitting and watching TV--esp then! Don't start off eating a raw carrot for breakfast a piece of celery for lunch and 2 lettuce leaves for dinner and trying to do a half hour of exercise or you will fail!! Move, move, move. Figure out how to take the long way around doing something--- It is a falsehood that fat people are inefficient---you want something done quicker---ask a fat person to do it, they will figure out the quickest and easiest way to get the job done!! You can also start to examine what in your life has caused you to turn to food for comfort and deal with those past, or present issues. Redirecting the hurt and anger to movement and to giving those emotions over to God and forgiving those who hurt you so as to keep the power of those memories from causing further pain---God does heal, and He does help us to, if not completely forget, not let the memories cause pain now. Forgiveness is for our benefit, not theirs. Good luck and God bless.
 
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I think people with such consumption problems find more comfort in them than in any other activity. I enjoy some activities so much that I often forget to eat. Even when I was a smoker I often forgot I had a cigarette burning in the ashtray while I was absorbed in some interesting activity. I'm also aware of my weaknesses. If I couldn't get to the woods at least a couple of times each week (all year around) I would go nuts in the city and probably take up drinking, smoking, and overeating. :(
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?
Honestly, I´m not seeing how an answer to any of these questions would possibly help you stop overeating.
What would you do differently if it were a capital sin? What would you do differently if it turned out to be no sin at all?
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?

I have the same problem. I ascribe it generically to lust. I like flesh, and I always will. But it is not good for me to be so, so I have to resist. On the sexual side, that means fidelity in marriage. That's the biggest piece. But then there are the messy other ways that flesh tugs at us, and gluttony gets you and me.

Compared to adultery or fornication, gluttony is small beer. But assuming those things are in check, then the fact that you and I feel fat as boar hogs is unpleasant. We don't like the way we look, or the way we feel.

"L'homme gourmand creuse sa proper tombe avec sa fourchette" - The gluttonous man digs his own grave with his fork.

You do it. I do it.

So instead of philosophizing about it, let's be angels for one another and just fix it.

We're going to do that by eating right.
We're going to eat right by being sure we get all of the vitamins and minerals and macronutrients in what we eat.
We're not going to take vitamins, because we were not designed by God to take vitamins but to eat food.
So, we're going to eat the right foods, to get everything we need.
That's the start.
Just by doing that, every day, we're going to end up filling a hole that's there in our diet that drives us to eat more than we need to. Part of it is biological need. We're probably not getting enough Vitamin D, Zinc or Iodine in our diet, so our body expands the volume of what we eat to try to make up for that...and that means a lot of excess calories.

So by eating food that has Vitamin D, Zinc and Iodine in it, we're going to fill some crying biological needs, and that alone will very probably cause us to feel sated, and to eat less. The weight will start to come off naturally.

So let's start there.

You're a Baptist and I'm a Catholic, so God has said we CAN eat anything. I have no food allergies. Do you? If you have none, then the world is our oyster. (Oysters, by the way, are the best source of dietary zinc on earth. One wild oyster or two farmed is a whole day's zinc.)

Hebrews in Israel couldn't eat oysters: they are shellfish forbidden by God. Eating them made the Israelite ritually unclean and he could not participate in the Temple sacrifices. God tore down the Temple, and Jesus said that nothing a man eats makes him unclean. So we can eat oysters...unless we're allergic.

If you don't have a food allergy do you have scruples? For example, are you a vegetarian? Do you want to be?

In Eden, and after the Second Coming, the lion will eat straw and we won't kill the animals for food. So, do you WANT to live in that pure state now, or does the violence against animals not concern you sufficiently that you want to still eat them.

Nutritionally, if you're a vegetarian it is much harder to get Vitamin B-12 (you're only left with milk and eggs), and Vitamin D (you're left with sun-dried mushrooms or sun on skin).

Jesus fed people fish. So a compromise is to avoid meat and the killing of mammals, who care for their young, and confine one's self to certain short-lived fish (salmon swim upriver to die, are caught when they start that swim, and are the best source of Vitamin D), or animals that have no central nervous system (oysters and mussels), and who therefore do not feel pain in an organized or conscious way.

If we confine ourselves to dairy, eggs, fish and simple mollusks (salmon, oysters and mussels), we will get be eating some of the very healthiest foods known to man, and be pretty satisfied with it too.

So, how does that sound so far? We can walk together down this path and both shed a lot of weight, be healthier, and put the gluttony to bed by eating either like they did in Eden, or like they did with the liberty given us by Jesus of Galilee.

We are cousins, you and I (through Adam, Eve, Noah and Naamah), so it is right that we should help one another on our quest.

Agreed?
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?

The key to good goal setting is not to set goals, but to commit to systems where reaching your goal is inevitable. In other words, don't say something like that you want to lose 50 pounds this year, but rather commit to a system that will cause you to lose weight. For example, if you commit to increasing how many fruits and vegetables you buy and you commit to increasing how much you walk, then you will be forming healthier habits that will cause you to be healthier and weigh less. You can start as slow as you want, such as eating an apple and doing an 10-minute walk every Monday, but the key is forming healthier habits. It's better to focus on committing to a system that anyone can do than trying to focus on finding the willpower to lose so much weight in so much time and ending up getting down on yourself for failing.
 
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Maybe you're overeating because it's enjoyable but if you found other things you enjoyed more you wouldn't need to do that?
I like sex better than eating. And I'd probably like smoking cigars better too, if I let myself. I'm not sure these are improvements...
 
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I like sex better than eating. And I'd probably like smoking cigars better too, if I let myself. I'm not sure these are improvements...

Cigars aren't healthier but if you're married how come sex isn't a better alternative? Not that you can have sex as much as you eat but you can look forward to it right? Or maybe just find other things that are enjoyable to take your mind off food. I'll pig out when I'm bored sometimes.
 
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if you're married how come sex isn't a better alternative? Not that you can have sex as much as you eat

Well, first off I have an exceptional appetite, and second because...well...there's sex, and then there's SEX (as in, those things one would hesitate to request from a professional).

Bref: substituting one lust for another really won't work. Buzzkill though it may be, self-mastery is really the only way.
 
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I need help in overcoming gluttony. I am obese and right now, I am trying to lose weight, but I need help in overcoming this issue. How big a sin is gluttony and can it be overcome? Is gluttony a big sin, or are all sins big sins? I guess this question is kind of like a question about lying, where some tell little white lies or big black lies. Lies are lies whatever color they are. Is it the same with gluttony? Can gluttony make one less of a Christian since I want to lose weight? I believe that because I want to lose weight He convicted me of gluttony, but it is hard to overcome. Is gluttony really about ethics or morality since this is supposed to go under ethics and morality? How should gluttons fat or thin be treated and should fat gluttons be viewed or treated any different than thin gluttons?
I over eat, because of child hood abuse. Or it's like a drug. A bunch of pills to get high. Seems inviting. But pills seems to be more expensive. I have quite a few friends that were drug attics. They stop doing drugs and gained weight. Therapy is a must.
 
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Eat less and eat healthy, excercise regularily and get enough sleep and fresh air.
When the minds screwed up. That didn't seem to happen for long.
 
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I have the same problem. I ascribe it generically to lust. I like flesh, and I always will. But it is not good for me to be so, so I have to resist. On the sexual side, that means fidelity in marriage. That's the biggest piece. But then there are the messy other ways that flesh tugs at us, and gluttony gets you and me.

Compared to adultery or fornication, gluttony is small beer. But assuming those things are in check, then the fact that you and I feel fat as boar hogs is unpleasant. We don't like the way we look, or the way we feel.

"L'homme gourmand creuse sa proper tombe avec sa fourchette" - The gluttonous man digs his own grave with his fork.

You do it. I do it.

So instead of philosophizing about it, let's be angels for one another and just fix it.

We're going to do that by eating right.
We're going to eat right by being sure we get all of the vitamins and minerals and macronutrients in what we eat.
We're not going to take vitamins, because we were not designed by God to take vitamins but to eat food.
So, we're going to eat the right foods, to get everything we need.
That's the start.
Just by doing that, every day, we're going to end up filling a hole that's there in our diet that drives us to eat more than we need to. Part of it is biological need. We're probably not getting enough Vitamin D, Zinc or Iodine in our diet, so our body expands the volume of what we eat to try to make up for that...and that means a lot of excess calories.

So by eating food that has Vitamin D, Zinc and Iodine in it, we're going to fill some crying biological needs, and that alone will very probably cause us to feel sated, and to eat less. The weight will start to come off naturally.

So let's start there.

You're a Baptist and I'm a Catholic, so God has said we CAN eat anything. I have no food allergies. Do you? If you have none, then the world is our oyster. (Oysters, by the way, are the best source of dietary zinc on earth. One wild oyster or two farmed is a whole day's zinc.)

Hebrews in Israel couldn't eat oysters: they are shellfish forbidden by God. Eating them made the Israelite ritually unclean and he could not participate in the Temple sacrifices. God tore down the Temple, and Jesus said that nothing a man eats makes him unclean. So we can eat oysters...unless we're allergic.

If you don't have a food allergy do you have scruples? For example, are you a vegetarian? Do you want to be?

In Eden, and after the Second Coming, the lion will eat straw and we won't kill the animals for food. So, do you WANT to live in that pure state now, or does the violence against animals not concern you sufficiently that you want to still eat them.

Nutritionally, if you're a vegetarian it is much harder to get Vitamin B-12 (you're only left with milk and eggs), and Vitamin D (you're left with sun-dried mushrooms or sun on skin).

Jesus fed people fish. So a compromise is to avoid meat and the killing of mammals, who care for their young, and confine one's self to certain short-lived fish (salmon swim upriver to die, are caught when they start that swim, and are the best source of Vitamin D), or animals that have no central nervous system (oysters and mussels), and who therefore do not feel pain in an organized or conscious way.

If we confine ourselves to dairy, eggs, fish and simple mollusks (salmon, oysters and mussels), we will get be eating some of the very healthiest foods known to man, and be pretty satisfied with it too.

So, how does that sound so far? We can walk together down this path and both shed a lot of weight, be healthier, and put the gluttony to bed by eating either like they did in Eden, or like they did with the liberty given us by Jesus of Galilee.

We are cousins, you and I (through Adam, Eve, Noah and Naamah), so it is right that we should help one another on our quest.

Agreed?
Jesus even ate fish AFTER the resurrection in Emmaus: Lightly broiled mackerel with a nice lemon sauce. French rolls. Heavenly.
[Although Caravaggio has a nice roasted bird on the table in his famous painting.]

From the Shroud of Turin we can see that Christ was pretty fit, as you would expect a well-disciplined person to be. But Christ was tempted in all ways like us so I'm sure there are many times he was offered to "super-size" it. Just say no. Recall the Lord's Prayer only prays for our DAILY bread not our WEEKLY, MONTHLY or YEARLY bread so clearly there's no binge amounts or storing up. ;-)
 
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I was addicted to buying guitar gear. Sound crazy? It kind of is. So is being obsessed with eating is basically the same thing.
Don't be too hard on yourself. You are ok. You are just like the rest of us. The only difference is the "thing" that overtakes and controls you. The secret is that regardless of the "thing" the obsessions come from the same source....Satan.
 
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Jesus even ate fish AFTER the resurrection in Emmaus: Lightly broiled mackerel with a nice lemon sauce.
Holy Mackerel, that's some good fish!
 
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