Outrage after police fatally shoot Jayland Walker in Ohio

[Nithavela]

What were they shooting with, a machine gun?

More like 10 pistols.

 

[Larniavc]

So let me get this straight. You think a bunch of police literally shot someone just for a minor driving offense? Are you deliberately omitting it or are you ignorant of the fact he shot at them first?

My mistake. So often American cops just shoot people I just assumed.

 

[Whyayeman]

It didn't take long to have the case done and dusted.

The gun on the seat, the assumption that the police account of what happened is true in all respects; Walker somehow brought this on himself.

Shot 60 times! My feeling is that the story will run and run.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The best way to avoid getting shot by police in the United States is when you are pulled over in a traffic stop, to wind down your window, stay seated with your hands in full view on the steering wheel, and to comply with all police instructions. Never fails.

 

[Fantine]

Never fails if you're white.
There was a case in the midwest where the black driver told the officer he had a gun and a license to carry, and when he reached into his glove compartment to show him the permit was shot dead.

 

[MehGuy]

That is not good.

 

[timtams]

My mistake. So often American cops just shoot people I just assumed.

So let me get this straight, you think American cops go around "just" shooting people for trivial reasons? Hey bud, your tailgate's out. Bang. Is that what you think?

 

[timtams]

Never fails if you're white.
There was a case in the midwest where the black driver told the officer he had a gun and a license to carry, and when he reached into his glove compartment to show him the permit was shot dead.

Nice try but the police officer was Hispanic. Furthermore, had the victim complied with simple police commands (in this case, stop reaching and put hands up) he would still be alive. It might have helped had he not been smoking weed at the time also.

 

[Tanj]

So let me get this straight. You think a bunch of police literally shot someone just for a minor driving offense? Are you deliberately omitting it or are you ignorant of the fact he shot at them first?

I note your country of residence is America. Have you ever had a timtam?

Tim Tam - Wikipedia

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Jayland Walker was shot on June 27th, fleeing the police after an alleged traffic offence. His body had 60 bullet wounds. It is alleged that 90 rounds were fired at Walker in the space of a few seconds.

A firearm was discovered in his car. No weapons were found on or near the body. Eight officers have been suspended from duty.

NAACP’s president, Derrick Johnson, said in a statement that Walker’s death wasn’t self-defense, but “was murder. Point blank.”

From the Guardian article: Outrage after video of police fatally shooting Jayland Walker released

Johnson added: “This Black man was killed – struck more than 60 times by 90 fired bullets – for a possible traffic violation. This doesn’t happen to white people in America. Why do police continuously target us like domestic terrorists? We are just trying to live our lives, and we are tired of being hunted like prey.”

'Murder, point blank.' What else could it be?

This happened about 25 mins away from me...

Other outlets are providing a little more clarity on what went down

Body camera footage shows fatal police shooting of Jayland Walker
Chief Steve Mylett said officers attempted to stop Walker's car for unspecified traffic and equipment violations, but less than a minute into a pursuit the sound of a shot was heard from the car and a transportation department camera captured what appeared to be a muzzle flash coming from the vehicle. Mylett said that changed the nature of the case from "a routine traffic stop to now a public safety issue."


So while it started out as a potential traffic stop, so for the other article to say that he got shot over a traffic stop is very misleading and leaving out some important key factors.

The moment he turned it into a "chase", it's no longer routine
The moment he (what appeared to be) fired a gun out the window...it's REALLY not routine at that point.


I'll grant that 60 rounds sounds bad, but when he had already fired a gun, led them on a chase, hopped out of the car in a ski mask, attempted to flee on foot, and the deployed tasers didn't have any effect, there's only one path of escalation from there.

And since there were 8-9 officers responding (each of which carrying magazines that probably have between 10-15 rounds each), it's not like they're going to coordinate and have "designated shooters" for such an incident when the whole "outside the car" portion of the exchange is happening in the span of 20 seconds.

Whether it was 3 officers responding firing 15 rounds, or 8 officers firing 90, the end result would've been the same... so putting emphasis on the bullet count seems like needless sensationalizing.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

So let me get this straight. You think a bunch of police literally shot someone just for a minor driving offense? Are you deliberately omitting it or are you ignorant of the fact he shot at them first?

Personally, I really think police officers should always shoot a suspect in an area of the body that incapacitates them (shoulders, arms or legs) especially if there is a good distance between them. At close range (and especially there is only one or two officers), the police shoot to survive and you really can't blame them as to where they hit the suspect.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

I note your country of residence is America. Have you ever had a timtam?

Tim Tam - Wikipedia

Those look scrumpdillyisious!!!

 

[Arcangl86]

The best way to avoid getting shot by police in the United States is when you are pulled over in a traffic stop, to wind down your window, stay seated with your hands in full view on the steering wheel, and to comply with all police instructions. Never fails.

Philando Castile would disagree with that if he was still alive.

 

[BPPLEE]

Personally, I really think police officers should always shoot a suspect in an area of the body that incapacitates them (shoulders, arms or legs) especially if there is a good distance between them. At close range (and especially there is only one or two officers), the police shoot to survive and you really can't blame them as to where they hit the suspect.

Police are trained to shoot Center Mass. In a real situation you do what you're trained to do. It's much more difficult to shoot someone in the leg and you're more likely to miss.

 

[Juan777]

Yes, of course. Wouldn't you?

The fact is the American police have never done that.

There are lots of cases where if a black cop fires one shot that ends up killing a white person, they end up having the book thrown at them in court and end up in jail.

Just the other day in Michigan a police chief apologized for just having black targets in a shooting range.
Michigan police apologize for using pictures of Black men for target practice - National | Globalnews.ca

I'm not sure if some of the white / asian posters are being ignorant, racist, or genuinely believe some of the things they are saying, but it looks like there is a culture or unwritten code where police can do anything to black people and get away with it. Not only that, they get encouraged and rewarded if they do this getting by their other peers and management. Good cops get fired or will have no support if they get in a dangerous situation if they rat on bad actors.

Do you see police shooting up people to death in a hospital? If the patient is black:
Cleveland Clinic Indian River Hospital: One dead in deputy-involved shooting

There is no justification for both these occurrences. A hospital is supposed to be sacred ground like a church, but where a black life is involved, it does not even matter in that environment.

Honestly, some racist police are probably cheering themselves on when a black person is killed. They know they are getting a free kill and paid vacation and the racist elements within the white community will support them. Look at how these officers got fired for celebrating the killing of Elijah Mcclaine:

Police officer who stopped Elijah McClain fired over photos reenacting chokehold - National | Globalnews.ca

They got fired for because they celebrated torturing and killing this innocent black person as they posted the evidence on social media. That's how degenerate, depraved and wicked some of these police are. Are we surprised by this news today? They look for ANY excuse when its a black person. 60 shots.
Disgusting, immoral and indefensible by any standard of civility or morality. The Bible says "Thou shalt not Kill". What is difficult to understand about that?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

The best way to avoid getting shot by police in the United States is when you are pulled over in a traffic stop, to wind down your window, stay seated with your hands in full view on the steering wheel, and to comply with all police instructions. Never fails.

I.e. Something akin to passing through a Wehrmacht checkpoint in occupied France, circa 1944.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

So let me get this straight, you think American cops go around "just" shooting people for trivial reasons? Hey bud, your tailgate's out. Bang. Is that what you think?

Yep

Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

 

[Nithavela]

Yep

Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

Do you think this is what happened in this case?

 

[loveofourlord]

The best way to avoid getting shot by police in the United States is when you are pulled over in a traffic stop, to wind down your window, stay seated with your hands in full view on the steering wheel, and to comply with all police instructions. Never fails.

RIGHT because there isn't stories every few months of people being shot when doing just that.

 

[loveofourlord]

At the moment this looks justified but given how often they lie and then later get caught when actual footage shows what happened, or just outright make up stuff like uvalde, I really don't trust anything American cops say at this point.