Our existence on earth is pointless

[Nihilist Virus]

No problem.

As I read Genesis, this earth was just fine when it was created. What was wrong with it? Nothing that I know of.


Good. My mistake then.


Referring to my first response, the first earth was "very good". It was completely unspoiled. And Adam would still be alive if he hadn't sinned. Imo, a new earth became desirable only because this one became damaged.


I think that additional reasons for creating us include breezy summer days, swimming in lakes, companionship, music, etc. I think you get my idea.

You must admit that this response is very inadequate. You imply that God already did do the thing that I'm asking about. Tell me, will there be sin on the new earth?

NO

Then the new earth is nothing like what God already created, and your answer is vacuous.

YES

Then there must be immediate forgiveness of sin, meaning that this new earth is quite different from what we already have. If there is no immediate forgiveness of sin, then that implies the need of yet another messiah. Do you intend to suggest that God will play out an eternal cycle of creation of paradise, followed by a fall, followed by a temporary covenant, followed by a messiah's death, followed by an age of the church, followed by an apocalypse? Because that seems to be precisely what you're implying, or else you're not giving my question its proper respect.

 

[ChetSinger]

You must admit that this response is very inadequate. You imply that God already did do the thing that I'm asking about. Tell me, will there be sin on the new earth?

NO

Then the new earth is nothing like what God already created, and your answer is vacuous.

YES

Then there must be immediate forgiveness of sin, meaning that this new earth is quite different from what we already have. If there is no immediate forgiveness of sin, then that implies the need of yet another messiah. Do you intend to suggest that God will play out an eternal cycle of creation of paradise, followed by a fall, followed by a temporary covenant, followed by a messiah's death, followed by an age of the church, followed by an apocalypse? Because that seems to be precisely what you're implying, or else you're not giving my question its proper respect.

I don't think you're giving your life here, in this age, enough appreciation. Is there no enjoyment here for you? Nothing noble worth celebrating? If so, does your embrace of nihilism perhaps have something to do with this? If so, faith in Christ can fix that right quick.

I think there's much here worth celebrating. There are Godly deeds of generosity, mercy, and compassion. There are God-given talents in fields such as painting, music, architecture, sculpture, and poetry. There is the beauty of God's creation in sunsets, forests, lakes, and seashores. The list can go on and on. And the Spirit of Christ within us urges us to make this world a better place, right here and now. I think the Father likes participating in that work. Jesus did. He rejoiced when he saw his Father's work here on earth.

I'm not to mope around while waiting for the next age. I'm to live to the fullest of my abilities, giving more than receiving, knowing that whatever recompense I don't receive in this age will be multiplied and given to me by God in the next one.

You've been given a life. Here. Now. And you've been given guidelines to live it by from the incarnated Word of God himself, Jesus Christ, in the New Testament. And if you're willing to put your trust in him you can be given joy in this life and a second and even better life in the next age.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I don't think you're giving your life here, in this age, enough appreciation. Is there no enjoyment here for you? Nothing noble worth celebrating? If so, does your embrace of nihilism perhaps have something to do with this? If so, faith in Christ can fix that right quick.

I think there's much here worth celebrating. There are Godly deeds of generosity, mercy, and compassion. There are God-given talents in fields such as painting, music, architecture, sculpture, and poetry. There is the beauty of God's creation in sunsets, forests, lakes, and seashores. The list can go on and on. And the Spirit of Christ within us urges us to make this world a better place, right here and now. I think the Father likes participating in that work. Jesus did. He rejoiced when he saw his Father's work here on earth.

I'm not to mope around while waiting for the next age. I'm to live to the fullest of my abilities, giving more than receiving, knowing that whatever recompense I don't receive in this age will be multiplied and given to me by God in the next one.

You've been given a life. Here. Now. And you've been given guidelines to live it by from the incarnated Word of God himself, Jesus Christ, in the New Testament. And if you're willing to put your trust in him you can be given joy in this life and a second and even better life in the next age.

So you have no real answer then?

 

[ChetSinger]

So you have no real answer then?

It seems as if you're trying to fit the Bible into your nihilist framework. But it doesn't fit: in the scriptures everything we do does matter, all of it. And not just in this age, but also in the age to come. That's the message of the Bible: all of our actions have consequences, and God has provided a way for us to escape some of the unpleasant ones. That way is the forgiveness of our sins through faith.

 

[CodyFaith]

Man needed to be given the ability to make moral choices.

One can only choose good if they are presented with evil but refrain from choosing it.

In order for God to be just, and his punishments just, he needed to give all men the choice to choose good or evil. Even though he foreknew what they would choose, he still needed to give them the choice in order to be just with the reward or punishment.

A part of love is giving them the option. God loves the wicked as well, but the wicked reject his love permanently.

My answer as to why create the wicked at all then, is probably because it's a part of creation. For example, man and woman get together and have a child, even though God foreknew what that child would choose, in order for creation to continue on in the way God intended it to, he had to allow free-will people who would choose evil to come into existence. It's rather hard to explain, and it's only a theory of mine. But it's the only way I can rationalize it.

Many Christians don't believe in free-will, that is, the ability for one to choose between good and evil morally. In those cases, you're right, there would be no point to existence here on earth now.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Man needed to be given the ability to make moral choices.

One can only choose good if they are presented with evil but refrain from choosing it.

In order for God to be just, and his punishments just, he needed to give all men the choice to choose good or evil. Even though he foreknew what they would choose, he still needed to give them the choice in order to be just with the reward or punishment.

A part of love is giving them the option. God loves the wicked as well, but the wicked reject his love permanently.

My answer as to why create the wicked at all then, is probably because it's a part of creation. For example, man and woman get together and have a child, even though God foreknew what that child would choose, in order for creation to continue on in the way God intended it to, he had to allow free-will people who would choose evil to come into existence. It's rather hard to explain, and it's only a theory of mine. But it's the only way I can rationalize it.

Many Christians don't believe in free-will, that is, the ability for one to choose between good and evil morally. In those cases, you're right, there would be no point to existence here on earth now.

But wouldn't it be better for us to not face the choice at all and instead be in God's presence?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

It seems as if you're trying to fit the Bible into your nihilist framework. But it doesn't fit: in the scriptures everything we do does matter, all of it. And not just in this age, but also in the age to come. That's the message of the Bible: all of our actions have consequences, and God has provided a way for us to escape some of the unpleasant ones. That way is the forgiveness of our sins through faith.

Where does it say that all of our actions matter? In fact I recall it saying the opposite: that all is vanity. This point is actually quite belabored. Was Solomon a nihilist? Do these passage not count as scripture because he was a polytheist?

 

[CodyFaith]

But wouldn't it be better for us to not face the choice at all and instead be in God's presence?

The righteous man, while still understanding it's God's mercy that saves us, searches for reward of his actions. We were created free-willed, an ability to choose, and when one makes the right choice, he desires to see the result of his choices. A part of love is choosing to love. If we didn't have the choice to love or hate, but instead were akin to animals, our love wouldn't as much as it is now or comparable to it. That's one of the main things that sets humans apart from animals, we have an ability to love in much greater ways than they. Often, we don't live up to our abilities, but it can be noted by all that humanity has the potential to love greater than animals. We only have the ability because of our freewill, our love and bonds are stronger because we choose them. So, without choice is without a greater love than being per-determined for us, and anything that hinders love would be unrighteous - so God, being perfect and holy, brought into the world both angels and man and gave them free will.

Another way to look at it too is that God wanted a family. He created man in his likeness because he wanted man to choose to be with him and to love others deeply, as he loves deeply. He wanted us to be like him and to be his sons and daughters.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

The righteous man, while still understanding it's God's mercy that saves us, searches for reward of his actions. We were created free-willed, an ability to choose, and when one makes the right choice, he desires to see the result of his choices. A part of love is choosing to love. If we didn't have the choice to love or hate, but instead were akin to animals, our love wouldn't as much as it is now or comparable to it. That's one of the main things that sets humans apart from animals, we have an ability to love in much greater ways than they. Often, we don't live up to our abilities, but it can be noted by all that humanity has the potential to love greater than animals. We only have the ability because of our freewill, our love and bonds are stronger because we choose them. So, without choice is without a greater love than being per-determined for us, and anything that hinders love would be unrighteous - so God, being perfect and holy, brought into the world both angels and man and gave them free will.

Another way to look at it too is that God wanted a family. He created man in his likeness because he wanted man to choose to be with him and to love others deeply, as he loves deeply. He wanted us to be like him and to be his sons and daughters.

Will we still have this choice in the afterlife? What if we stop loving God in the afterlife?

 

[Hawkins]

Believers would prefer to have been initially created in heaven, since heaven is paradise and also they would be immediately in the presence of their Lord.

You lost the whole point of Christianity. It goes like this;

God created entities with different degrees of freewill, such as angels and humans. God also intended to create a final eternity where angels and humans will live with Him here forever. On the other hand, God is completely sin incompatible. To put it another way, He hates something that if you do it you won't be able to live with Him in a realm of eternity. Thus He sets up Law to specify what He dislikes so whoever breaks the Law will disqualify himself from entering the final Heaven.

Satan tempted Eve and Adam to sin. They both were thus driven out of Eden. Since then all humans are living outside God's realm, they are living outside the Kingdom of Heaven. Actually Satan is said to be the god of our planet earth. Humans here are thus unable to abide by God's Law to its full to enter Heaven. This point is proven through the story of Noah. No humans can be saved (i.e., qualified to enter Heaven), thus the purpose of earth is defeated. God should thus have destroyed earth completely with flood. However, God actually chose from the beginning to give humans a second chance.

Then covenants are introduced to bring salvation to humans. To simply put, humans can enter Heaven even though they can't help but sin under the deep influence of this world (of Satan in a sense) as long as they can abide by a covenant granted to him. Even though humans keep breaking God's Law we can still enter Heaven by a covenant brought through the blood Jesus Christ will shed in the end.

That said, earth is a place for human freewill to divide. As a mathematical and statistical expected outcome, when 0 and 1 are give as choice to a group of humans, some will thus choose 0 while others will choose 1. Similarly and in the end, some will choose to be with God while others will choose not to be. They thus will divide here on earth and with those choosing God entering the final Heaven. A judgement is thus needed to legitimately identify which is your choice by the court of Heaven.

 

[ChetSinger]

Where does it say that all of our actions matter?

Uh, just about the entire New Testament. Here's one of the final examples:

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

In fact I recall it saying the opposite: that all is vanity. This point is actually quite belabored. Was Solomon a nihilist? Do these passage not count as scripture because he was a polytheist?

You think Ecclesiastes is nihilistic? No, its genre is an extended back-and-forth debate between different philosophical positions. If you don't have the patience to read all of it, jump to the end where the author reaches his conclusion. Hint, it's not nihilistic:

The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Uh, just about the entire New Testament. Here's one of the final examples:




You think Ecclesiastes is nihilistic? No, its genre is an extended back-and-forth debate between different philosophical positions. If you don't have the patience to read all of it, jump to the end where the author reaches his conclusion. Hint, it's not nihilistic:

I find these to be good answers. However, I don't think you've sufficiently explained how we are better off living on earth rather than skipping this life. Your answer was more or less just "chocolate cake." Do you prefer water to living water? Do you prefer bread to the bread of life?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

You lost the whole point of Christianity. It goes like this;

God created entities with different degrees of freewill, such as angels and humans. God also intended to create a final eternity where angels and humans will live with Him here forever. On the other hand, God is completely sin incompatible. To put it another way, He hates something that if you do it you won't be able to live with Him in a realm of eternity. Thus He sets up Law to specify what He dislikes so whoever breaks the Law will disqualify himself from entering the final Heaven.

Satan tempted Eve and Adam to sin. They both were thus driven out of Eden. Since then all humans are living outside God's realm, they are living outside the Kingdom of Heaven. Actually Satan is said to be the god of our planet earth. Humans here are thus unable to abide by God's Law to its full to enter Heaven. This point is proven through the story of Noah. No humans can be saved (i.e., qualified to enter Heaven), thus the purpose of earth is defeated. God should thus have destroyed earth completely with flood. However, God actually chose from the beginning to give humans a second chance.

Then covenants are introduced to bring salvation to humans. To simply put, humans can enter Heaven even though they can't help but sin under the deep influence of this world (of Satan in a sense) as long as they can abide by a covenant granted to him. Even though humans keep breaking God's Law we can still enter Heaven by a covenant brought through the blood Jesus Christ will shed in the end.

That said, earth is a place for human freewill to divide. As a mathematical and statistical expected outcome, when 0 and 1 are give as choice to a group of humans, some will thus choose 0 while others will choose 1. Similarly and in the end, some will choose to be with God while others will choose not to be. They thus will divide here on earth and with those choosing God entering the final Heaven. A judgement is thus needed to legitimately identify which is your choice by the court of Heaven.

Nothing you said is relevant. I'm stating that it would have been better for all parties involved if we were created instantly in the afterlife.

If free will is so important that God created a world of suffering to nurture it, then why create entities with varying degrees of free will? Also, there's this:

 

[CodyFaith]

Will we still have this choice in the afterlife? What if we stop loving God in the afterlife?

First I would say it's choices rather than a single choice. Like, one choice does not define a man - you make all sorts of choices between right and wrong in this life. However, one main choice, to put your faith in Christ, determines your salvation. This choice does not come out of nowhere, a person who consistently lives and chooses evil in this life will not suddenly one day come to Christ - such a person is defined as a "wicked" person in scripture. Wicked people can repent though, it's just many won't.

To answer your question though, no, in the afterlife we will no longer have this ability to choose good from evil - because that's what this life is about. At the end of a person's life, they've reached the point where all moral choices that they're given by God to make is ceased. Their character, as far as morality is concerned, has ceased from being improved or decreased (for lack of better words).
In case your next question is then "so will there be evil in the afterlife?" the answer is no. God's face is not directly on us in this life. In the afterlife, for the righteous, it will be - and his love and the saint's love will be so intense nobody will want to commit evil. Our hearts and minds will be refined, not that our own righteousness in the sense of us making choices will increase or decrease, but our righteousness as in us doing the right or wrong thing will be immeasurably increased because we're in the presence of God. That is why Jesus said in Matthew 11:11 that even though John the Baptist was the most righteous man that walked the earth, in the afterlife we will all be more righteous than he was here.

We've made our choice to love God here on this earth, if you're in Christ it's a permanent choice inside of you. However, Christians still have the ability to choose right or wrong and our character can still be improved or not improved. We have a commandment to love God and man (both wicked and righteous alike), and if we sway from those commands we will actually lose rewards in heaven permanently (and of course, by rewards I don't mean we'll have one house instead of 5, I mean that our love for others will be less than the love of those who chose right in this life, and things of that nature). Our "position" will be less.

 

[JacksBratt]

What was the point of God putting us on earth?

Earth was, originally, a paradise. God walked with man, His creation, talked and had a relationship with man.

However, God did not want his creation to love Him just because they were created to do so. This is why we have free will. We need to chose to love our creator. So did the first humans, Adam and Eve.

You have probably heard that the untested or unexamined life is not worth living? Well, in God's eyes, any human being needs to chose between right and wrong. This is why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was forbidden.

If Adam and Eve did not eat of it, life would have been grand. However, all their children and generations would also have to obey this law. If they did, they were passing the test and life would have been paradise. Our love or Him would be manifested in the obedience to the one law.

When this was broken, we needed a way to overcome our sin. Thus, the gospel.

Once people are given the choice to chose Christ, by faith, they are given salvation, or dismiss it.

In the end, all souls in heaven will have had a choice, and will have chosen Christ. Their free will will be proven.

There will be no more tests, no more temptation. Just everlasting relationship and existence with our God and creator. The way it was supposed to be.

 

[Deadworm]

Nihilist Virus: "Believers would prefer to have been initially created in heaven, since heaven is paradise and also they would be immediately in the presence of their Lord."

In fact, our initial creation in heaven is precisely the orthodox Judaeo-Christian belief in late antiquity (e. g. John 9:1-2: Jeremiah 1:4-5; Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20; 2 Enoch 23; the Essenes, many of the early rabbis). This neglected belief entails the creation of all souls in heaven prior to the creation of the universe (2 Enoch 23).

"Jesus preferred to not die, as evidenced by his intense anguish in the garden shortly before his arrest."

An oversimplification! Jesus "was tested in every way just as we are, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15)." Momentary second thoughts in the face of imminent death by crucifixion torture is part of the test that Jesus passes. But Jesus' true intention is expressed by His stated mission to die for us (e. g. Mark 10:45). His top priority is to do God's will and fulfill His divine mission.

"What was the point of God putting us on earth?"

Too myopically worded! Try: What is the purpose of the evolution of all life? Answer: To expand God's horizons through an evolving creation that He does not micromanage to discover what creative masterpieces might freely emerge to God's delight. Oh, and please don't impose your obsolete concept of omniscience on to the biblical God. The OT God is repeatedly capable of "repenting" and "regretting" the consequences of His creation.

"If earth is for a test, I find that pointless since God is omniscient. Those who would have failed the test simply need not have been created."

OK, I'll humor your false concept of omniscience. Divine foreknowledge of human behavior implies an x factor in human nature that allows God to infallibly predict outcomes of decisions. Aha, but then that X factor predetermines their conduct and thus deprives them of freedom! So by definition, an omnipotent God can't foreknow what you will always chooses unless He has already decreed to give you the chance to choose badly. A violation of omnipotence, you say? Ah, but even omnipotence is limited by the law of contradiction. But your concepts of omniscience and omniscience are in any case false impositions on the ancient Hebraic mindset. So this exercise of logic is ultimately irrelevant!

"please explain how the angels inhabited heaven before Christ's death."

Duh, that 's like asking me to explain why God created the banana slug. The Bible implies that the God's purpose in creation is far more complex and varied than a narrow anthropomorphic perspective implies.

"Therefore, on Christianity, there is no point in earth's existence."

Decisively refuted through the exposure of your false assumptio

 

[ChetSinger]

I find these to be good answers. However, I don't think you've sufficiently explained how we are better off living on earth rather than skipping this life. Your answer was more or less just "chocolate cake." Do you prefer water to living water? Do you prefer bread to the bread of life?

It will be one heckuva upgrade. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:9 that it's beyond our imagination.

Why didn't I start there? I don't know. But I've thought of two things that I'll mention. The first is the sovereignty of God. From the OT:

Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots!
Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?' or ‘Your work has no handles’?

And from the NT:

But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

But there's something else. In the resurrection we'll be given authority. Before God does that, shouldn't we be tested first? It brought to mind something Jesus once said:

“One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much. If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous wealth, who will entrust to you the true riches?

So, in a nutshell I think it's God's right, as our creator, to place us where he wishes. If you could create life, might you not create a wide variety of it, just as he has?

But I also think there are reasons for what he does. For example, one common theme in the scriptures is how God enjoys elevating the low and putting down the high. The first example is all the way back in Genesis 3, where the serpent is reduced. Paul says that we're to judge angels, which strikes me is an example of that. So I think we're part of God's plan, where we start out low and can become elevated.

 

[aiki]

Believers would prefer to have been initially created in heaven, since heaven is paradise and also they would be immediately in the presence of their Lord.

I suppose. Certainly, the apostle Paul in his letter to the Philippian church made it clear that he believed it was far better to be present with his Saviour and Lord than dwelling here on earth.

Come Judgment Day, all unbelievers will wish that they had initially been created in heaven instead of being tested on earth.

Maybe.

Jesus preferred to not die, as evidenced by his intense anguish in the garden shortly before his arrest. If humanity was initially created in heaven, Jesus wouldn't have had to die. If Jesus didn't have to die, there would have been no point in his incarnation on earth.

Actually, it wasn't death that he wanted to avoid but the physical torment and the separation from His Father that would precede his death. Jesus knew he would rise again, so death was not a fearful prospect for him. It was bearing our sin and suffering the loss of fellowship with His Father that were the primary causes of his anguish.

What was the point of God putting us on earth? I find that all parties involved would have preferred for earth's existence to be skipped over entirely.

All except the One Party that really matters: God Himself. We are in His universe, serving His purposes in an unfolding story centered upon Him. In God's redemption of humanity we see all of His excellent character displayed. And it is this display that is at the heart of why God has acted as He has in the universe and human history.

If earth is for a test, I find that pointless since God is omniscient. Those who would have failed the test simply need not have been created. Indeed, many here on this forum groan about my existence.

See above. All that God has created is aimed ultimately at His glorification.

If it's the case that we cannot inhabit heaven without first being redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and Jesus's existence on earth necessitates the existence of earth, then please explain how the angels inhabited heaven before Christ's death. Couldn't the same explanation apply to us if we were created perfect and already in heaven just as the angels?

Again, the Story of Redemption that has played itself out from the beginning of God's creation of the universe has been about God, not us. In redeeming us from our fallen state, God exhibits His grace, love, mercy, justice, holiness, purity, patience and faithfulness. And the display of His greatness, of His unsurpassed excellence, is the reason humanity exists.

Therefore, on Christianity, there is no point in earth's existence. So Christianity would have us believe that earth's existence is not only a pointless game, but a dangerous game with infinite risk that could be avoided entirely to the benefit of everyone if only the creator were so inclined.

Only if we concede your mistaken line of reasoning. But as I've pointed out, your conclusion here is the product of a faulty understanding of God's purposes in making the universe.

On atheism, there is also no point in earth's existence. However, it is not a pointless game of Russian Roulette but rather it is the one and only opportunity at life that any of us will have.

A life that is utterly purposeless and meaningless. A life that has no ultimate value. A life that is an accident and that can only be lived under the illusion of meaning and purpose. And all that the atheist believes about himself and the cosmos is determined by natural processes over which he has no significant control. Consequently, he has no way of knowing if the things he believes are really, objectively true or just the way those blind, mechanical, natural processes have determined he should think. There is, therefore, nothing in atheism that I can see that commends it even slightly to any thoughtful and genuinely intellectually honest person.

Selah.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Believers would prefer to have been initially created in heaven, since heaven is paradise and also they would be immediately in the presence of their Lord.

Come Judgment Day, all unbelievers will wish that they had initially been created in heaven instead of being tested on earth.

Jesus preferred to not die, as evidenced by his intense anguish in the garden shortly before his arrest. If humanity was initially created in heaven, Jesus wouldn't have had to die. If Jesus didn't have to die, there would have been no point in his incarnation on earth.

What was the point of God putting us on earth? I find that all parties involved would have preferred for earth's existence to be skipped over entirely.

If earth is for a test, I find that pointless since God is omniscient. Those who would have failed the test simply need not have been created. Indeed, many here on this forum groan about my existence.

If it's the case that we cannot inhabit heaven without first being redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and Jesus's existence on earth necessitates the existence of earth, then please explain how the angels inhabited heaven before Christ's death. Couldn't the same explanation apply to us if we were created perfect and already in heaven just as the angels?

Therefore, on Christianity, there is no point in earth's existence. So Christianity would have us believe that earth's existence is not only a pointless game, but a dangerous game with infinite risk that could be avoided entirely to the benefit of everyone if only the creator were so inclined.

On atheism, there is also no point in earth's existence. However, it is not a pointless game of Russian Roulette but rather it is the one and only opportunity at life that any of us will have.

Angels are quite different creatures than are humans and as such are not subject to the same treatment according to God's righteous judgment.
Mankind fell in the garden we read in Genesis and we are subject to punishment for that fall...we are all born in sin following that fall and need Jesus our Savior.
As Christians we have great purpose on earth and in this existence we have many Christian duties and face many trials and tribulations as we carry on our work, but we have the far surpassing love of Christ in our lives as His Spirit lives in us and that brings great joy as well as joy which the knowledge that we will soon reap a heavenly reward brings us.
If atheism brings "life" and satisfaction to your soul why are you using up all your precious time here on line with us meaningless Christians? I believe the Lord is being very patient with you in that you are receiving much testimony here so that you'll be without excuse should you not turn your life around...choose Jesus/choose life.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

ChetSinger has offered a couple clarifications and answers but overall he cannot dispute the idea that God, believers, and unbelievers alike would have all been better off if earth's existence was skipped. No one else has really bothered to give a relevant answer other than perhaps those who are on my ignore list (I don't know or care what they have said here).

As an atheist, if you ask me about consciousness or the conditions precipitating the Big Bang, I'll be honest and admit I don't know. All of you here cannot do that. You are a slave to your theology and you cannot have an honest conversation. You can't admit you don't know the answer so you all dance around with irrelevant arguments. I consider the matter resolved.