No you can spare me as you put it YOUR one last attempt. I don't need your condescending attitude which I think is garbage. Go on to someone else.
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No you can spare me as you put it YOUR one last attempt. I don't need your condescending attitude which I think is garbage. Go on to someone else.Wrong on every level, you said so much wrong, I can't even begin to explain your mistakes to you.
One last attempt.
And? Christ knows that the Law doesn't justify anyone
Why did you choose the sin of taking God's Name in vain? That isn't the only sin there is.
(And we know, if we offend in one point, we offend in all. - James 2:10)
If salvation depends on our good behaviour, no one has ever been saved.
Hello.
The promises and guarantees in Scriptures, inspired by the holy spirit, have guaranteed
I guess I don't understand all the arguing and verse tossing. The WHOLE of the Word of God is sufficient to draw from and to understand how we are to receive salvation and what it means to walk in the love of Christ. I can't and won't tell anybody they won't be in heaven nor will they certainly go to hell. I don't know anybody well enough to say such things. I know why you go to heaven and why you go to hell, but not who goes there. As far as I am concerned the Word of God is between He and I and there is nothing to argue.
You tell me how Hebrews 6 (and actually, the entire letter of Hebrews) tells us that salvation can be lost.
True -- but you will not get to heaven "taking God's name in vain all the way there" neither does "persevere firm to the end" mean "just keep on taking God's name in vain... that is just fine"..
Even the 3 and 5 point Calvinists will admit to that obvious Bible detail.
True but is one of the best ones to mention since most people have a hard time trying to bring themselves to the point of defending the practice of taking God's name in vain.
true -- I just like picking one that people are very reluctant to wear as a badge of honor.
True -- and yet that is not even remotely close to the point James is making in chapter 2 where you quote him.
So then back to "no taking God's name in vain"
When Paul wants to "spank" the members of a certain church for being evil - he does it this way --
1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
he section of Hebrews 6 your post does not address)
You have free will and can ignore whatever you wish.
But this is an open forum and a lot of readers will see the details in those verses above and instantly know that it is the 'saved' that are " enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come"
They will instantly realize that is a description of the saved and not the experience of the lost.
Irrefutable.
what is more there is no Bible warning against "turning from being lost so as to become lost-er" no warning against "falling from being lost to being fallen-er" --- the Bible spends no time at all in such a realm.
No effort in the Bible for getting people to be lost ... but-less-lost than before.
You tell me how Hebrews 6 (and actually, the entire letter of Hebrews) tells us that salvation can be lost.
I’ve already addressed Hebrews 6.
Just wondering why you keep repeating yourself. I’ve already responded to this.
Or, maybe they’ll choose to read the entire chapter, or better the entire letter, and carefully study it for themselves. (If they haven’t already).
In fact you do not address those verses. In Hebrews 6 you address the verses before the ones we are discussing... then a few verses at the end.
You knew we could all see that -- right?
No commentary on this verse?
You do realize you are quoting the Old Testament, right? Indeed, "the wages of sin is death...but...the gift of God is eternal life, through Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
And as far as "a righteous man" goes, we know from Scripture that there is none righteous. (Romans 3:10-12) This is precisely why we need the Saviour.
So many "creative" ways to not discuss these verses.
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Since you claim that is "you" discussing the details of Hebrews 6:4-7 --
We will see how the objective unbiased readers respond to such a detailed review of those verses.
I did, and not a word on verse 21.
Let's go back to that verse 7-11:Why did you stop at verse 10? The very next verse makes it clear that Paul was not telling the Corinthian church that they had lost their salvation and were going to hell. (Though he was absolutely chastising them).
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:11
Does the OT offend you?
Ezekiel 18:24
But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
Do you not know Abraham was righteous? Do you not know Zachariah and Elizabeth were righteous? Why does one need the dying Savior when all he has to do to be righteous is to believe God, as Abraham did?
Since we know Abraham was a righteous man, does Ezekiel 18:24 apply to him?
Did God the Savior change His mind?
By the way, Who is the Savior - the God of the OT or Jesus of the NT?
Are there two Saviors?
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