Opposition to Vaccination

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

complications occur in fewer than 1 percent of surgeries

Really silly analogy, no-one died from not having plastic surgery last year. More than a half a million Americans died from not having a vaccine last year.

Try another analogy, you have to play a round of Russian Roulette. You have a choice of a loaded revolver or a loaded sticky dart gun. Which do you choose?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

faith people are often science illiterate


whereas science people are often faith illiterate

Well we science literates are here to help you distinguish situations where science literacy will allow you to practice your faith. Most of us are also literate in faith as well though we may have questions about the efficacy of blind faith.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Try another analogy, you have to play a round of Russian Roulette.

what is not destined will not happen

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

what is not destined will not happen

So no belief in free will, I personally find it rather sad to think that I have actually no control at all over my life. It also seems rather inconsistent with the idea of Karma.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I personally find it rather sad to think that I have actually no control at all over my life. It also seems rather inconsistent with the idea of Karma.

The Adjustment Bureau - Free Will

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

The Adjustment Bureau - Free Will

Yes and god could be a smart-alec in god HS just playing with us in his petri dish. Good argument for atheism.

what is not destined will not happen

convenient way of avoiding the question.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Yes and god could be a smart-alec in god HS just playing with us in his petri dish. Good argument for atheism.

you give God too much credit… and not enough…

 

[JohnEmmett]

what is not destined will not happen

convenient way of avoiding the question.

just relying on my philosophy

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

you give God too much credit… and not enough…

How do you know?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

what is not destined will not happen



just relying on my philosophy

Which seems to be S**t happens and don't make me think about it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

How do you know?

the truth tends to be the middle of two extremes


the tendency is the extremes


this tendency leads to a misguided emphasis

 

[JohnEmmett]

Which seems to be S**t happens and don't make me think about it.

I'm not emotional about it

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I'm not emotional about it

I wasn't worried about the emotions, rather the thought, one can think without being emotional.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I wasn't worried about the emotions, rather the thought, one can think without being emotional.

philosophical truth requires a lot of thought & effort

 

[Kylie]

Do stories like this help to justify your unbelief in God?

Do you think I wake up each day with the need to find something to justify my beliefs regarding the existence of God?

 

[Kylie]

Perhaps… the vaccine is less effective over time.

Perhaps!

And what mechanism could be causing that?

 

[Kylie]

“Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain.”

-Ramana Maharshi

Then we can not be held accountable for our actions.

 

[Kylie]

exactly. If you take them all the time, they will have a lesser effect.

That is true about antibiotics, but vaccines work in a very different way.

 

[Kylie]

It's appointed onto man once to die. We take risks every day greater than the chance of dying from this thing. We can all sit at home wrapped in bubble wrap or we can live while we are able.

Do you wear a seatbelt? If so, it would appear that you understand that while risk is a part of everyday life, we can take steps to mitigate that risk.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Then we can not be held accountable for our actions.

we are accountable for our intentions & our views (beliefs)


of course I'm only aware of this