One Reason to Reject Amill Doctrine

[Douggg]

I refer you back to my last post that rebuts this.

What you wrote in your previous post does not rebutt that Satan is not in any text of the New Testament said to be currently in chains, nor in the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

Paul assures all who do see Jesus at his coming that they will dwell with him forever more.
Yet your claiming some will rebel.

Out of context.

 

[Jamdoc]

You cannot divorce the earthly ministry of Christ as being integral to the defeat of Satan, just like you cannot divorce the first resurrection of Christ from the same. It was all apart of our Lord's defeat of Satan.

Yet you want to divorce the second coming from that defeat, because you claim it's all done at the first coming.

 

[Timtofly]

It is equally wrong to believe that Revelation 20 is a literal depiction describing the devil being physically chained, tossed into a physical abyss, and physically sealed so that he cannot deceive the nations anymore and yet still walk about this earth seeking whom he may devour. Amils don’t accept that this is physical language neither do they believe that spirits are physically chained and that they can be restrained by a literal prison. They believe that they are spiritually chained in a spiritual prison.

There is no spiritual prison for spirits. All spirits are in God's presence. A demon is a spirit that can no longer stand to be in God's presence. They come to earth to possess those stupid enough to open their minds to the occult world. If demons leave and come back again, where does it specify they are chained up somewhere? Jesus using allegory is just that, allegory. Allegory does not physically nor spiritually bind. It is a figure of speech showing how these forces cannot harm those who put their faith and trust in God. When Jesus uses this symbolism, you turn it into a literal binding. When John in Revelation 20 shows a literal chain and pit, you turn that into symbolism.

 

[Timtofly]

Thats exactly what Jesus said Tim

Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.



[ Quote Tim ]
Jesus also mentions Noah after heaven and earth pass away. Pretty sure the order of Jesus' words in the OD are not chronological according to when events happen.]


The Lord is not the author of confusion Tim.
The days of Noah saw all life on earth pass away. The coming of the Son of Man will be just like that , with the addition of everything in heaven passing away as well.

So H/E pass away at his coming.

Jesus also spoke of the H/E passing in the book of Revelation. He is speaking of the same event as Gods written word does not change its mind. So let us fix our eyes on what Jesus has said and repeated.

The "words of Jesus" does not equal the "Second Coming." These are two different phenomenon.

The heaven passing away means no more stars in the sky. They are now walking around on the earth, which is not destroyed, because the stars are walking around on the earth.

1000 years after the stars are walking around on earth will be when heaven and earth pass away.

Did Noah enter a totally different reality? Did the water, heavens, earth all pass away, and only the ark was found between realities, until God created a brand new reality? What changed in this new reality Noah faced? Was sin and death gone? Did people now live for ever in eternal happiness?

 

[jeffweedaman]

Out of context.

What was the context again?
God bless

 

[Timtofly]

To sustain the Premil doctrine you have to ignore/reject the injury Satan sustained through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. You have to ignore/reject the victorious New Testament message that Satan is a defeated foe that has been stripped of his previous power and influence through the spiritual binding in spiritual chains. You have to ignore/reject the Gospel expanse to the Gentiles in the great commission. You have to present an unrestrained Satan being able to do whatever he wants (including thwart the Gospel). You elevate the devil and and diminish God, you portray a powerful kingdom of darkness and a weak kingdom of God. This is all wrong.

No we do not reject this power over Satan during the last 1991 years. The past is the past. We are talking about the future. What happens in the future does not negate nor change the past. That is a nonsense argument, because all that amil propose is just more of the same, "what if's".

So binding Satan in a pit physically with no way out is elevating Satan? You are calling down, up.

What does a future reign have to do with spreading the Gospel light during the last 1991 years? Absolutely nothing.

What is wrong is you are comparing apples to corvettes. Not even in the same category of topics.

 

[Timtofly]

What was the context again?
God bless

No one here made up a rebellion.

John says Satan was loosed and decieved many to rebel against Jesus Christ. Listening to Satan is apt to bring about rebellion, even angels who have no choice. They had to ask God if they could rebel. God said, sure. Then immediately locked them up in darkness, until they are needed in the 5th Trumpet judgment.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi JGR

Seems you missed this:

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Have you not been translated into the kingdom?

Thank you JGR you have demonstrated exactly what amills are lost about. You are a partaker in the inheritance you get it when Jesus returns. King James uses out dated english here is a more literal translation.

Bible in Basic English
1:12 and give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to receive our share of the inheritance of God's people in Light.13 Who has made us free from the power of evil and given us a place in the kingdom of the Son of his love;

No I have not been translated into the kingdom and neither has anyone else because Jesus has not returned with the Kingdom to give me my INHERITANCE.

Once again as I said before you can not use Pauls words to negate Jesus' words you have to see Pauls words in light of Jesus words not vise versa. Jesus is very plain in John 14: You get your inheritance WHEN HE RETURNS.

[2] In my Father's house are many rooms; (Holy Jerusalem) if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?[3] And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

Clearly Jesus is saying only when he retruns do you get your inheritance your reward. Are you telling me Jesus already returned?

Here is another verse to prove the same point

[31]"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.[32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, [33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.[34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;

Once again we see Jesus saying in very plain language you get the inheritance at his return. NOW knowing what Jesus said look at Pauls words again.

1:12 and give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to receive our share of the inheritance of God's people in Light.13 Who has made us free from the power of evil and given us a place in the kingdom of the Son of his love;

The Inheritance you clearly get .....WHEN DOES JESUS SAY.......at his return.

Amills ignore Jesus plain words and by doing so they misunderstand what Paul is really saying. Are you really trying to tell me that Jesus was wrong and Paul was right. Or is it just possible that you are misunderstanduing Paul because you are not measuring his words in light of Jesus' very plain words.

 

[Jamdoc]

actually no matter how you look at it, Satan's "little season" results in massive rebellion, which Amillennialists will accuse anyone acknowledging that scripture as "stressing a powerful Satan and weak Christ"
But that's what scripture says, unless some Amill twists it around to deny the plain meaning and make it mean something else.
But really it's not powerful Satan, it's weak man.
Man that constantly desires more than what God gives them.
just provide an alternative deception that Man can get what he wants and oppose God and win, and man's weak enough to buy it.
No matter if you're pre mill, post mill, or amill, it's all the same. Satan gets loosed, and man flock to rebel.

 

[Douggg]

What was the context again?
God bless

The context is the nations that rebel against Jesus's rule on this earth, his everlasting kingdom's judgment and justice*, at the end of the thousand years as a test to see if they had learned anything.

Paul was speaking about a different topic.

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*Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

 

[keras]

Paul assures all who do see Jesus at his coming that they will dwell with him forever more.
Yet your claiming some will rebel.

They will rebel before Jesus Returns.
They will gather at Armageddon, where they will be destroyed. Rev 16:12-18

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello Sov

It is so hard to engage with you as you bounce from one subject to another.

What are you going on about now........ that post was on one subject and one subject only proving 2 Peter 3: and that Peter taught Premill.

I notice that is how you start ever reply to everyone a personal attack aimed at belitteling the person and there by elevating yourself in your own eyes always based on nothing but your imagination for the most part.

When one of your claims is rebutted, then you quickly move to another claim. When that is rebutted you move back to an already rebutted claim. That is one way to avoid the issues. Notwithstanding, I will try again.

Here you go again...... calling the the kettle black. That is what you do continuously and I will show you in this very post that you are doing it.

Quote "sovereigngrace, post: 76236412, member: 424622"]With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom. With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth. With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.

Wherever the Church advances, the work of Satan is bound!!!

Christ said, to the disciples in Luke 10:19, “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”

When you are tuned into heaven, when you are connected to heaven, all things are possible. God is big and the devil is small. The light is shining and the darkness is dispelled. Peace prevails and the power ensues. End Quote

And now we see that you are the very thing you say of other...... you are the pot callin the kettle black.

1. I answered this point over 13 pages ago in post #209 Yet here we are back at the same point I already disproved.
2. Like I said in Post #410. If you say something and it is in error saying it a dozen more times does not make it correct it is still in error.

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us.

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

You are doing it again You are using verses that prove you are wrong and twisting them to say you are right.

If the Devil is bound how can he flee how can he tempt you. The Answer is simple because the Kingdom has not come we will inherit it when Jesus returns.

When you are tuned into heaven, when you are connected to heaven, all things are possible. God is big and the devil is small. The light is shining and the darkness is dispelled. Peace prevails and the power ensues.

You are just so wrong it is hard to fathom how you could be so wrong. There is no Peace. The prophets do not speak of a spiritual peace. They speak of this

[2] It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, (Rv:21:10)and shall be raised above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it,(Rv:21:24) [3] and many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, (Rv:21:24) to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. [4] He shall judge between the nations, (Matt:25:32) and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Rv:20:4)

They learn war no more. Satan Deceiving the nations is not him stoping the gospel from being spread it is from him teach and praising war as good and Christianity has fallen right into his trap starting with the Synod at Arlens in 314AD.

And No I am not jumping around I am addressing your point above in the quoted txt. I am showing you that you are just wrong about everything there is no peace.

Here is verse 3:

[3] and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.

Satan is bound so he can not deceive the nations. So what does scripture ssay that deception is?

Now verse 7,8

[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison [8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle;

As you can plainly see the deception is to gather nations for battle.

Now how does this relate to the subject at hand THAT IS EASY look around the world is Satan still deceiving the nations drawing them to battle. So Satan is not bound , the 1,000 years or Kingdom has not come.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace Teaching Peace The King of the Pit is the God of war teaching war the exact Oposite of Jesus.

Sov I respect you have your belief and stick to it with great zeal. However I have dealt with all your points over the last 24 pages of posts and I do not have the desire or feel the need to go around the malberry bush with you over and over. As I said to another amill in a different thread I was raised Catholic almost became a priest so I know the amill teachings well. However I found them to have no light in them it was all a lie. It is like Santa clause I once believed but I found out it was a lie will I ever believe again of course not why would I believe something I know is a lie.

I think it is best if we just agree to disagree and call it at that. Peace to you my brother in Christ.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Yet you want to divorce the second coming from that defeat, because you claim it's all done at the first coming.

No. Satan and his minions are already judged. The second coming sees his eternal sentencing.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Hello Sov



What are you going on about now........ that post was on one subject and one subject only proving 2 Peter 3: and that Peter taught Premill.

I notice that is how you start ever reply to everyone a personal attack aimed at belitteling the person and there by elevating yourself in your own eyes always based on nothing but your imagination for the most part.



Here you go again...... calling the the kettle black. That is what you do continuously and I will show you in this very post that you are doing it.

Quote "sovereigngrace, post: 76236412, member: 424622"]With the coming of Christ to this earth came the introduction of His spiritual kingdom. With the introduction of His spiritual kingdom came a direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth. With the direct challenge to the power and influence of Satan on planet earth came the spiritual empowerment of the people of God to confront and overcome Satan and his demonic angels.

Wherever the Church advances, the work of Satan is bound!!!

Christ said, to the disciples in Luke 10:19, “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”

When you are tuned into heaven, when you are connected to heaven, all things are possible. God is big and the devil is small. The light is shining and the darkness is dispelled. Peace prevails and the power ensues. End Quote

And now we see that you are the very thing you say of other...... you are the pot callin the kettle black.

1. I answered this point over 13 pages ago in post #209 Yet here we are back at the same point I already disproved.
2. Like I said in Post #410. If you say something and it is in error saying it a dozen more times does not make it correct it is still in error.

You are doing it again You are using verses that prove you are wrong and twisting them to say you are right.

If the Devil is bound how can he flee how can he tempt you. The Answer is simple because the Kingdom has not come we will inherit it when Jesus returns.



You are just so wrong it is hard to fathom how you could be so wrong. There is no Peace. The prophets do not speak of a spiritual peace. They speak of this

[2] It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, (Rv:21:10)and shall be raised above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it,(Rv:21:24) [3] and many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, (Rv:21:24) to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. [4] He shall judge between the nations, (Matt:25:32) and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Rv:20:4)

They learn war no more. Satan Deceiving the nations is not him stoping the gospel from being spread it is from him teach and praising war as good and Christianity has fallen right into his trap starting with the Synod at Arlens in 314AD.

And No I am not jumping around I am addressing your point above in the quoted txt. I am showing you that you are just wrong about everything there is no peace.

Here is verse 3:

[3] and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.

Satan is bound so he can not deceive the nations. So what does scripture ssay that deception is?

Now verse 7,8

[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison [8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle;

As you can plainly see the deception is to gather nations for battle.

Now how does this relate to the subject at hand THAT IS EASY look around the world is Satan still deceiving the nations drawing them to battle. So Satan is not bound , the 1,000 years or Kingdom has not come.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace Teaching Peace The King of the Pit is the God of war teaching war the exact Oposite of Jesus.

Sov I respect you have your belief and stick to it with great zeal. However I have dealt with all your points over the last 24 pages of posts and I do not have the desire or feel the need to go around the malberry bush with you over and over. As I said to another amill in a different thread I was raised Catholic almost became a priest so I know the amill teachings well. However I found them to have no light in them it was all a lie. It is like Santa clause I once believed but I found out it was a lie will I ever believe again of course not why would I believe something I know is a lie.

I think it is best if we just agree to disagree and call it at that. Peace to you my brother in Christ.

I do not appreciate your tone and false charges. I am done discussing with you. It is also impossible to get you to address the apparent holes in your position.

Rejecting Amil because the RCC believes it is a weak argument. Do you also reject the Trinity, the deity of Christ and virgin birth? That is weak reasoning. Amil was strong before the Roman church came to prominence. It was the main view among the ECFs.

 

[sovereigngrace]

actually no matter how you look at it, Satan's "little season" results in massive rebellion, which Amillennialists will accuse anyone acknowledging that scripture as "stressing a powerful Satan and weak Christ"
But that's what scripture says, unless some Amill twists it around to deny the plain meaning and make it mean something else.
But really it's not powerful Satan, it's weak man.
Man that constantly desires more than what God gives them.
just provide an alternative deception that Man can get what he wants and oppose God and win, and man's weak enough to buy it.
No matter if you're pre mill, post mill, or amill, it's all the same. Satan gets loosed, and man flock to rebel.

Yes, but Premil wrongly portrays a millennium of unparalleled peace and submission to Jesus where the lion and the lamb finally rest together in unity and love and where the glorified saints enjoy final bliss and then bam the slaughter trucks pull up to take these same sheep to Jerusalem for slaughter. How cruel and pointless! Then after a thousand literal years of supposed perfect peace and harmony where Jesus rules with a rod of iron, the millennial inheritors turn en-masse to Satan in their billions as the sand of the sea. It is this false picture and misplacement of Revelation 20 that Premil portrays that doesn't add up.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello Sov

I do not appreciate your tone and false charges.

Sov it is you that has a tone of arrogance in every post. Please go back and read your posts well over 50% start off with a derogatory comment about the person you are addressing. I have said nothing that is not true there is no false accusations.

It is also impossible to get you to address the apparent holes in your position.

Once again I have addressed every point you have made often 13 pages latter I have had to address then again as you circle back around to already disproven points. it is you who refuses to address the the gaping holes in amill doctrine. Just because you say something doesn't make it correct even if you say it dozens of times it is still in error.

It was the main view among the ECFs.

Plain and simple this statement is just not true. You have not produced one single ECF pre 150 AD that was amill. I have shown multiple verses of both Baranbas and Clement that show they were Premill. I have done this at least twice in this thread. Once again just because you say something does not make it true. Facts are Facts and the facts on this point are clear.

I have shown that Jesus taught Premill ie Kingdom and Inheritance at his return by posting many verses
I Have shown the Apostles and Saints taught Premill by posting many verses.
I have shown the ECF (pre 150 AD ) taught Premill including Clement and Barnabas.

The Problem is this Amills do not understand the difference between inheritance and having now. Repeatedly over and over Jesus Paul Peter Jude John refer to the kingdom as our inheritance.Jesus says we get that inheritance at his return See John 14 and Matt 25. Any verse of the Apostles and Saints that talks about the kingdom MUST and I Repeat MUST uses Jesus plain words in John and Matthew as the starting point of understanding. You must uses Jesus' plain words to understand the Apostles and saints not understand their words in some doctrinal view that ignors the very plain truth that Jesus said repeatedly that we get the Inheritance at his return.

 

[DavidPT]

then bam the slaughter trucks pull up to take these same sheep to Jerusalem for slaughter. How cruel and pointless!

While that might be true of some Premils interpreting it like that, it is not true of all Premils interpreting it like that. It is not a requirement of Premil in order to be Premil, one has to interpret it in that manner, no more than it is a requirement of Amil that one has to interpret the thousand years in the same manner as do some Preterists on this board, where their interpretation only make sense to them but to no one else as well, in order to be Amil.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Hello Sov



Sov it is you that has a tone of arrogance in every post. Please go back and read your posts well over 50% start off with a derogatory comment about the person you are addressing. I have said nothing that is not true there is no false accusations.

I am not getting involved in such pettiness.

Once again I have addressed every point you have made often 13 pages latter I have had to address then again as you circle back around to already disproven points. it is you who refuses to address the the gaping holes in amill doctrine. Just because you say something doesn't make it correct even if you say it dozens of times it is still in error.

No. It is impossible to pin you down or glean hard evidence from you. You are all over the place. But let us put some of your claims to the test. Let us see who is correct.

You have not produced one single ECF pre 150 AD that was amill.

You have not produced one single ECF pre 150 AD that was amill. I have shown multiple verses of both Baranbas and Clement that show they were Premill. I have done this at least twice in this thread. Once again just because you say something does not make it true. Facts are Facts and the facts on this point are clear...

I have shown the ECF (pre 150 AD ) taught Premill including Clement and Barnabas.

Really? Let's put your boasts to the test. Let us see your supposed "facts." Let us see if you have indeed truly researched this subject and have real evidence or if this is just theological rhetoric. If you fail to come up with the evidence I suggest you stop immediately from making any further claims to this affect. I will mark your “evidence” (or "facts") or lack thereof in your response for future reference. Sadly, I have been here a thousand times with Premils and their supposed evidence is simply not there. They unfortunately depend of questionable historians for their "facts."

1. Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that explicitly described a future 1000 years as Premils teach?
2. Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that explicitly described Jesus on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
3. Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that taught the continuation of the bondage of corruption on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
4. Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that taught the wicked or mortals inheriting a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
5. Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing mortal humans interreacting with glorified saints on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
6. Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing the continuation of dying and crying on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
7. Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement teaching Satan will be bound at the second coming, released 1000 years after the second coming and instigate an uprising of billions of millennial inhabitants as Premils teach?
8. Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing the elevation of natural Israel to their old covenant place of favour over all other nations, the restoring of Israel back to her ancient borders, the return of the whole old covenant arrangement, the rebuilding of a brick temple in earthly Jerusalem, the restarting of the mass slaughter of innocent animals on the new earth, the restoration of the ancient old covenant priesthood again in a future millennium?
9. Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement teaching the continuation of marriage and procreation on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?

I put it to you: you will not even be able to answer Number 1, as neither of these ECFs believed Premil or Chiliasm.

 

[jeffweedaman]

Hi JGR



Thank you JGR you have demonstrated exactly what amills are lost about. You are a partaker in the inheritance you get it when Jesus returns. King James uses out dated english here is a more literal translation.

Bible in Basic English
1:12 and give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to receive our share of the inheritance of God's people in Light.13 Who has made us free from the power of evil and given us a place in the kingdom of the Son of his love;

No I have not been translated into the kingdom and neither has anyone else because Jesus has not returned with the Kingdom to give me my INHERITANCE.

Once again as I said before you can not use Pauls words to negate Jesus' words you have to see Pauls words in light of Jesus words not vise versa. Jesus is very plain in John 14: You get your inheritance WHEN HE RETURNS.

[2] In my Father's house are many rooms; (Holy Jerusalem) if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?[3] And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

Clearly Jesus is saying only when he retruns do you get your inheritance your reward. Are you telling me Jesus already returned?

Here is another verse to prove the same point

[31]"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.[32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, [33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.[34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;

Once again we see Jesus saying in very plain language you get the inheritance at his return. NOW knowing what Jesus said look at Pauls words again.

1:12 and give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to receive our share of the inheritance of God's people in Light.13 Who has made us free from the power of evil and given us a place in the kingdom of the Son of his love;

The Inheritance you clearly get .....WHEN DOES JESUS SAY.......at his return.

Amills ignore Jesus plain words and by doing so they misunderstand what Paul is really saying. Are you really trying to tell me that Jesus was wrong and Paul was right. Or is it just possible that you are misunderstanduing Paul because you are not measuring his words in light of Jesus' very plain words.

Glad you believe we receive our inheritance at his coming. This is what we Amills have been saying all along.
I dont think you realize it but Welcome to the Amill camp.


12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to reward each one as his work deserves. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you of these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires, take the water of life without cost.

18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.