One of The STRONGEST Arguments for The Sabbath ~

[SabbathBlessings]

Physical rest and spiritual rest not the same...

E.g: you rest every 7th day from work (physical) doesn't mean you rest spiritual (from bondage to sin)..unless you're in Christ then you receive rest for your soul..

If you read my post you see I made that distinction. You receive the Spiritual rest when you keep the Sabbath rest. You don't receive the blessing of the Spiritual rest by disobeying the 4th commandment as it clearly shows in Hebrews 4.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Right there is human theological construction...

Two rests eh ???

Next...

I am sorry but there are two distinct rests being mentioned in Hebrews 4. The seventh day Sabbath rest and the rest we we receive in Christ. These are two different rests and we are given the rest in Christ when we obey the commandments, not disobey as also shown in Hebrews 4.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Spirit awakens sinful and dead hearts (Eph. 2:1; Ezek. 36:26, 27) and opens our blind eyes (Acts 26:18; 2 Cor. 4:4). He does this by awakening in us an awareness of our sin (John 16:8) and convicting us of our lostness and need for a Savior.

Sin is transgression of the law.

If not for the law .... we would not know what sin is.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

The Law does not draw us to Christ.

 

[pasifika]

If you read my post you see I made that distinction. You receive the Spiritual rest when you keep the Sabbath rest. You don't receive the blessing of the Spiritual rest by disobeying the 4th commandment as it clearly shows in Hebrews 4.

Hello
Our spiritual rest if only found in Christ by "believing in the Gospel"...

Physical rest is found when rest from doing physical work..

Cannot have spiritual rest from physical Rest...The commandment to keep the 7th day holy other then the other six days makes to be a physical Rest according to your interpretation as the rest only comes every 7th day cycle...

As the spiritual rest is eternal when you enter that "rest" you don't go back and do the same work again in which you have just rested from..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hello
Our spiritual rest if only found in Christ by "believing in the Gospel"...

Physical rest is found when stop from doing physical work..

Cannot have spiritual rest from physical Rest...The commandment to keep the 7th day holy other then the other six days makes to be a physical Rest according to your interpretation as the rest only comes every 7th day cycle...

As the spiritual rest is eternal when you enter that "rest" you don't go back and do the same work again in which you have just rested from..

When one keeps the Sabbath day holy they have a better understanding of Christs rest. We enter it by obeying as shown in Hebrews 4. Often times the word belief and obedience is interchangeable as we see in Hebrews 4.

I don't understand how you can believe in the Word of God, but choose to not obey.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

 

[eleos1954]

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

The Law does not draw us to Christ.

Love draws us to God ... and we uphold the law out of love.

Romans 13:8-10

Fulfilling the Law Through Love

8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Laws are .... Laws of Love.

God's commandments and God's love are inseparable. “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

 

[pasifika]

When one keeps the Sabbath day holy they have a better understanding of Christs rest. We enter it by obeying as shown in Hebrews 4. Often times the word belief and obedience is interchangeable as we see in Hebrews 4.

I don't understand how you can believe in the Word of God, but choose to not obey.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Christ is Not a sinner so He was always at rest...you and me are "slaves" to sin and have not yet experience the Rest in which Christ had...

And that rest cannot experience in one day a week Unless you are cleansed from All of your sins...(Also my sins as well I'm not saying I experience that rest now!)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Christ is Not a sinner so He was always at rest...you and me are "slaves" to sin and have not yet experience the Rest in which Christ had...

And that rest cannot experience in one day a week Unless you are cleansed from All of your sins...(Also my sins as well I'm not saying I experience that rest now!)

Maybe you can quote scripture that backs up what you're saying, because I am not following this.

 

[pasifika]

Maybe you can quote scripture that backs up what you're saying, because I am not following this.

1John 3:8...The one who does what is sinful is of the devil...

John 8:34..everyone who sins slaves to sin...

1 Timothy 1:15...Christ came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst...

Matthew 11:28,29..come to Me you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest...

2Corin 5:17...if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come...

 

[eleos1954]

Christ is Not a sinner so He was always at rest...you and me are "slaves" to sin and have not yet experience the Rest in which Christ had...

And that rest cannot experience in one day a week Unless you are cleansed from All of your sins...(Also my sins as well I'm not saying I experience that rest now!)

Genesis 2:1-3

Creation was not yet complete! As a memorial of His great creation, God created the Sabbath by resting on the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3). Like placing a capstone on everything He had made, God's creation of the Sabbath serves as a continual reminder (remember the Sabbath) that He is the great Creator. The Sabbath is a great blessing to mankind (Mark 2:27), as it keeps us constantly aware that not only physical creation but the ongoing, spiritual creation of Himself in us.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath and stated He was Lord of it. Firmly establishes Jesus as the creator.

For of all the days of the week, this one ALONE (7th day Sabbath) points to Him in a unique way as the true God, the One who created and now governs the entire universe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

1John 3:8...The one who does what is sinful is of the devil...
John 8:34..everyone who sins slaves to sin...

1 Timothy 1:15...Christ came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst...

Matthew 11:28,29..come to Me you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest...

2Corin 5:17...if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come...

Which does not say

Christ is Not a sinner so He was always at rest

or

you and me are "slaves" to sin and have not yet experience the Rest in which Christ had.

or

And that rest cannot experience in one day a week Unless you are cleansed from All of your sins..

Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 which includes the 4th commandment. Jesus is not the Sabbath, we are required to keep the seventh day holy like the commandment states Exodus 20:8-11. The gospel rest is something we receive when we obey as shown in Hebrews 4

 

[pasifika]

Genesis 2:1-3

Creation was not yet complete! As a memorial of His great creation, God created the Sabbath by resting on the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3). Like placing a capstone on everything He had made, God's creation of the Sabbath serves as a continual reminder (remember the Sabbath) that He is the great Creator. The Sabbath is a great blessing to mankind (Mark 2:27), as it keeps us constantly aware that not only physical creation but the ongoing, spiritual creation of Himself in us.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath and stated He was Lord of it. Firmly establishes Jesus as the creator.

For of all the days of the week, this one ALONE (7th day Sabbath) points to Him in a unique way as the true God, the One who created and now governs the entire universe.

Hello
Yes I agree totally...The 7th day Sabbath was given as a reminder of God who created the heavens and the earth and rested on the 7th day to the children of Israel...its a sign that was given to Israel of their God...

But, the 7th day is Not the day we (mankind) rest from our work is the day God rest from His...

Unless we know what sort of work we are given to do then we know the day we will Rest in..

 

[pasifika]

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Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 which includes the 4th commandment. Jesus is not the Sabbath, we are required to keep the seventh day holy like the commandment states Exodus 20:8-11. The gospel rest is something we receive when we obey as shown in Hebrews 4

So unless you have been taught that Christ is a sinner then what I said was wrong...

Yes, I agree that sin is the transgression of God's law, under the old covenant of "works" ,or new covenant of "Faith"...

So you are living under an old covenant law of works (10 C) I'm in a new covenant that requires Faith...

I'm not following the "letter of the Law" but the Spirit...

 

[eleos1954]

Hello
Yes I agree totally...The 7th day Sabbath was given as a reminder of God who created the heavens and the earth and rested on the 7th day to the children of Israel...its a sign that was given to Israel of their God...

But, the 7th day is Not the day we (mankind) rest from our work is the day God rest from His...

Unless we know what sort of work we are given to do then we know the day we will Rest in..

The 7th day Sabbath was created before there was any Israel .... and Jesus says it was created for mankind.

 

[pasifika]

The 7th day Sabbath was created before there was any Israel .... and Jesus says it was created for mankind.

Agree there was no Israel at the time...But the verse you quote didn't say the 7th day Sabbath was created for mankind...

It's the "Sabbath" it didn't not mentioned on what day...
Hebrews 4 make the distinction between "7th day" and "today"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So unless you have been taught that Christ is a sinner then what I said was wrong...

Yes, I agree that sin is the transgression of God's law, under the old covenant of "works" ,or new covenant of "Faith"...

So you are living under an old covenant law of works (10 C) I'm in a new covenant that requires Faith...

I'm not following the "letter of the Law" but the Spirit...

Christ is not a sinner and Christ kept the commandments of God as should as well. Christ however is not a Sabbath. The Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3 and God wants us to keep holy the same day that is holy to Him.

I quoted the definition of sin from the New Covenant. Breaking the commandments of God is still a sin in the New Covenant as quoted 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7.

How can you have faith in God but not follow the Word of God? If you are following the Spirit of the law, it means you are keeping the letter. You cannot keep the Spirit by breaking the letter, Just like in Hebrews 4 it tells you, you do not receive the rest in Christ by being disobedient to the Sabbath commandment. We are blessed when we obey, not when we disobey.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Agree there was no Israel at the time...But the verse you quote didn't say the 7th day Sabbath was created for mankind...

It's the "Sabbath" it didn't not mentioned on what day...

In my bible it states so very clearly:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

 

[pasifika]

Christ is not a sinner and Christ kept the commandments of God as should as well. Christ however is not a Sabbath. The Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3 and God wants us to keep holy the same day that is holy to Him.

I quoted the definition of sin from the New Covenant. Breaking the commandments of God is still a sin in the New Covenant as quoted 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7.

How can you have faith in God but not follow the Word of God? If you are following the Spirit of the law, it means you are keeping the letter. You cannot keep the Spirit by breaking the letter, Just like in Hebrews 4 it tells you, you do not receive the rest in Christ by being disobedient to the Sabbath commandment. We are blessed when we obey, not when we disobey.

Hello SB,
Please don't compare yourself to Jesus..Jesus kept God's commandments As He is the only Begotten of God...
You can only be able to keep God's commandments through Christ Not the "works of the Law" (10 commandments)..

He kept God's law through "Faith" because He is the "Faith" Galatians 3:25...
Not by "works of law"

Trying to keep God's law through the 10commandments (works) shows a lack of spiritual knowledge...

The 10commandments is based on yourself on how you follow it and how you interpret or keep it..Is Not based on Jesus Christ...Read Galatians...

In the news covenant (Faith)..."anything that is Not of Faith is sin"...Romans

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hello SB,
Please don't compare yourself to Jesus..Jesus kept God's commandments As He is the only Begotten of God...

Maybe you can quote me actually saying that.

You can only be able to keep God's commandments through Christ Not the "works of the Law" (10 commandments)..

The works of the law is not defined as the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are written by the Finger of God and reflect the very character of God . We keep the commandments out of Love to God and Jesus says He will give us the Holy Spirit to help keep these laws. John 14:15-18

He kept God's law through "Faith" because He is the "Faith" Galatians 3:25...
Not by "works of law"

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law
Faith does not void out the law, it establishes the law. I will ask you this question again, do we show faith when we obey God's Word or disobey? Faith and obedience are not at odds with each other. Obeying God is the fruit of our faith.

Trying to keep God's law through the 10commandments (works) shows a lack of spiritual knowledge...

Breaking God's laws shows we do not have truth in us.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus also gives us this warning
Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Keeping the commandments is how we express love to Jesus and how He knows us. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

The 10commandments is based on yourself on how you follow it and how you interpret or keep it..Is Not based on Jesus Christ...Read Galatians...

In the news covenant (Faith)..."anything that is Not of Faith is sin"...Romans

God's commandments are pretty easy to read, seems intentionally easy so even a 10 year old could read and understand. Exodus 20

Again how can you have faith in someone but not enough faith to obey what they ask?

 

[eleos1954]

Agree there was no Israel at the time...But the verse you quote didn't say the 7th day Sabbath was created for mankind...

It's the "Sabbath" it didn't not mentioned on what day...
Hebrews 4 make the distinction between "7th day" and "today"

Mark 2:27

New International Version
Then he (Jesus) said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9-10
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Here the critics grab themselves to say that the rest of “Today” found in Jesus has been replaced by the seventh day Sabbath. But a closer examination of this verse reveals otherwise. Note carefully that at the end of verse 10 we read, “as God did from his.” The verse plainly says we are to enter into a rest, the rest of Sabbath-Keeping according to the previous verse.

But is this rest spoken of here the rest found in Jesus? Well, when we come to Jesus, we find rest from Sin, and from guilt of Sin, because he cleanses us “of all unrighteousness” – 1 John 1:9. If this rest being spoken of here is the rest from Sin found in Jesus, does God also rest from sin and from the guilt of sin? Of course not, he is a Holy God, and doesn’t need to rest from sin.

So the rest that we are to enter according to verse 10 is to be the same rest that God entered into… “as God did from his.” The second rest we have gathered in this study is the rest we will one day experience, the rest of heaven. Is this the rest Paul is now speaking of in verse 10? Remember, it specifically says, “as God did from his.” Therefore, whatever rest this is, it will be the same rest God experienced as well. Does God need to be given the rest of Heaven as we do? The answer is obvious:

Psalm 33:13-14
(13) The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
(14) From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

Why then does Paul now seem to shift the focus? Well, he doesn’t really, he introduced the seventh day since verse 4, and verses 5 and 10 explains why he did this. Notice how verse 10 reads one more time:

“For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.”

See, the person who has entered into the rest of Jesus Christ, that same person also rests from his works on the seventh day “as God did from his.” Why? Well because the rest of the seventh day represents both the rest of today and the rest of heaven. This is what Paul tried to teach us with verses 4 and 5. In verse 4 he says that God spake “in a certian place…” about the seventh day, then he tell us in verse 5 that “in this place again, if they will enter into my rest…” He is comparing the two, the seventh day rest (verse 4) with the rest we are to enter into (verse 5).

Now the he word “rest” in verse 9 is translated from the word “sabbatismos” and it comes from but one greek word: sabbaton. This is the same word translated “sabbath” elsewhere in the New Testament. The difference with this word however, is in the suffix “ismos” which gives this word the meaning of “keeping” or “sabbath keeping.” It is true that this word is not used anywhere else in the New Testament, but the concept is certainty found in the bible. Sabbath keeping if first found in the life of Jesus (Luke 4:16). We then find Sabbath keeping among the followers of Jesus in Luke 23:54-56. The apostles constantly gathered together upon the Sabbath day, not merely in the synagogues (Acts 13:14) but also out doors by a river side (Acts 16:13-15). Sabbath keeping will be found in the New Heavens and the New Earth according to Isaiah 66:23, and God himself kept his own Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3! So while sabbatismos is not used elsewhere in the New Testament, its meaning is all over the bible, and it was used here to show that this “sabbatismos” or “sabbath keeping” still “remains” as a reminder of that blessed hope