One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Floatingaxe]

But God's angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn't treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand.

So God said, in effect, "If that's what you want, that's what you get." It wasn't long before they were living in a pigpen, smeared with filth, filthy inside and out. And all this because they traded the true God for a fake god, and worshiped the god they made instead of the God who made them—the God we bless, the God who blesses us. Oh, yes!

Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn't know how to be human either—women didn't know how to be women, men didn't know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.
Since they didn't bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it's not as if they don't know better. They know perfectly well they're spitting in God's face. And they don't care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!




Romans 1:23-32

 

[Ohioprof]

I never ever said that. I said that brothers and sisters do not HURT their family. I'm not accusing anyone.

If you never said that I am not a sister, then how do you explain this post that you made yesterday?

Originally Posted by MercyBurst
Ohioprof is not a sister (believer) in Christ according to her own statements:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40302477&postcount=174

She is a unitarian.

This thread is about testimony IN Jesus Christ and spirituality IN Jesus Christ. The OP makes this VERY CLEAR.

Obviously Ohioprof is in the wrong place and really has no insight to share regarding the OP.

Using her own statements "This is really none of her business."

Hence, I suggest you ignore her RUDE and UNCIVIL attempts to derail this thread, and proceed with the OP, as originally stated.

Folks, I think we have an obvious case of thread-hijacking on our hands here.

 

[MercyBurst]

There are Christians in recovery for many different addictions whether it's pornography, substance abuse, adultery, and various sexual addictions, and abuse, just to name a few.

Obviously from personal testimonies we've heard on this same forum, same-sex sex can be a highly addictive and destructive habit especially for some males.

It only seems caring and reasonable that I would not do any of these things in their presense, or advocate any of these things to a Christian brother or sister that is struggling in these areas. Many of them come to this forum.

What a gay person wants to do with their own life is their business, but my brothers and sisters in Christ are MY business. I have brothers and sisters in my own family. If somebody harms one of them, then they have me to deal with and vice versa. Family sticks together. Family doesn't entice family into destruction.

 

[Floatingaxe]

We gay people are just people. Ordinary people. We are not dragons, not emissaries of Satan. Just people. We are your neighbors, your co-workers, your relatives.I as a gay person am asking that Christians accept us as we are and stop denigrating us and denigrating our love relationships and our families. That's what Jesus would call for. I have no doubt about that. I firmly believe that Jesus would stand with gay people, and would embrace us as we are.

Ordinary as sinners go...that's a maybe.

But when you claim Christ and refuse to repent and then teach that it is OK to hold fast to certain sins against Scripture, it is hypocrisy and that is NOT ordinary.

The Church of Jesus Christ has a mandate to speak out against it. Jesus expects it, and it is our responsibility to do so.

Jesus would not stand with homosexuals, for in His presence they would drop to their knees in deep remorse for their perversions and cling to Him in submission to His Lordship.

Jesus would love them (He does) but they are not His, and could NOT remain as they are in His presence.

 

[Ohioprof]

There are Christians in recovery for many different addictions whether it's pornography, substance abuse, adultery, and various sexual addictions, and abuse, just to name a few.

Obviously from personal testimonies we've heard on this same forum, same-sex sex can be a highly addictive and destructive habit especially for some males.

It only seems caring and reasonable that I would not do any of these things in their presense, or advocate any of these things to a Christian brother or sister that is struggling in these areas. Many of them come to this forum.

What a gay person wants to do with their own life is their business, but my brothers and sisters in Christ are MY business. I have brothers and sisters in my own family. If somebody harms one of them, then they have me to deal with and vice versa. Family sticks together. Family doesn't entice family into destruction.

When has anyone in these forums sought to "entice" anyone into "destruction?"

Arguing for fair treatment for gay people and acceptance of gay people as we are is certainly not an enticement to "destruction." It's a call for Christians to respect the inherent worth and dignity of all people, including gay people.....not as you wish we would be, but as we are, as God made us.

 

[Ohioprof]

Ordinary as sinners go...that's a maybe.

But when you claim Christ and refuse to repent and then teach that it is OK to hold fast to certain sins against Scripture, it is hypocrisy and that is NOT ordinary.

The Church of Jesus Christ has a mandate to speak out against it. Jesus expects it, and it is our responsibility to do so.

Jesus would not stand with homosexuals, for in His presence they would drop to their knees in deep remorse for their perversions and cling to Him in submission to His Lordship.

Jesus would love them (He does) but they are not His, and could NOT remain as they are in His presence.

I don't think so.

 

[Ohioprof]

Ordinary as sinners go...that's a maybe.

But when you claim Christ and refuse to repent and then teach that it is OK to hold fast to certain sins against Scripture, it is hypocrisy and that is NOT ordinary.

The Church of Jesus Christ has a mandate to speak out against it. Jesus expects it, and it is our responsibility to do so.

Jesus would not stand with homosexuals, for in His presence they would drop to their knees in deep remorse for their perversions and cling to Him in submission to His Lordship.

Jesus would love them (He does) but they are not His, and could NOT remain as they are in His presence.

I don't agree with this.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I don't think so.

It matters not what you think. It's what the Word of God says and what God thinks that matters.

You cannot stand before a Holy God and LIVE with sin in you.

 

[Ohioprof]

There are Christians in recovery for many different addictions whether it's pornography, substance abuse, adultery, and various sexual addictions, and abuse, just to name a few.

Obviously from personal testimonies we've heard on this same forum, same-sex sex can be a highly addictive and destructive habit especially for some males.

It only seems caring and reasonable that I would not do any of these things in their presense, or advocate any of these things to a Christian brother or sister that is struggling in these areas. Many of them come to this forum.

What a gay person wants to do with their own life is their business, but my brothers and sisters in Christ are MY business. I have brothers and sisters in my own family. If somebody harms one of them, then they have me to deal with and vice versa. Family sticks together. Family doesn't entice family into destruction.

Sex between people of the same sex is no more "addictive" than is sex between people of the opposite sex.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Ohioprof]

It matters not what you think. It's what the Word of God says and what God thinks that matters.

You cannot stand before a Holy God and LIVE with sin in you.

You don't speak for God. You speak what you think. I disagree with what you think.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Sex between people of the same sex is no more "addictive" than is sex between people of the opposite sex.

Simply by the nature of the wickedness of it, it can be addictive. Anything that is verboten is enticing to a mind and heart that seeks to outwit God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You don't speak for God. You speak what you think. I disagree with what you think.

No, Christians do speak for God all the time. He relies on us to do that.

 

[Ohioprof]

Simply by the nature of the wickedness of it, it can be addictive. Anything that is verboten is enticing to a mind and heart that seeks to outwit God.

There is nothing "wicked" about loving, committed same-sex relationships. They are a blessing.

 

[MercyBurst]

If you never said that I am not a sister, then how do you explain this post that you made yesterday?

ok I edited the quote to hopefully clear up any confusion:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40367163&postcount=133

Originally Posted by MercyBurst
Ohioprof is not a sister (believer) in Christ according to her own statements:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40302477&postcount=174

That thread was deleted by the moderators, however, upon reading your link you basically say you don't hold to any doctrine. You are a universalist, but Jesus, my Lord and Savior, was not a universalist.

He said:

Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Ohioprof]

No, Christians do speak for God all the time. He relies on us to do that.

Then apparently you believe that I speak for God all the time, since I am a Christian. However, I don't claim to speak for God. What I post represents just my beliefs, no one else's. I speak for only me.

 

[Floatingaxe]

There is nothing "wicked" about loving, committed same-sex relationships. They are a blessing.

It isn't loving to God to turn your back on His word and do what is forbidden. If you don't love God enough to know what He thinks or care, or to know His Word, then you can't really love the way He designed you to love.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Then apparently you believe that I speak for God all the time, since I am a Christian. However, I don't claim to speak for God. What I post represents just my beliefs, no one else's. I speak for only me.

Because you disagree with God, you do not speak for Him. So....

 

[Ohioprof]

ok I edited the quote to hopefully clear up any confusion:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40367163&postcount=133



That thread was deleted by the moderators, however, upon reading your link you basically say you don't hold to any doctrine. You are a universalist, but Jesus, my Lord and Savior, was not a universalist.

He said:

Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Universalists like me believe that Jesus does call for universal salvation. Universalism did not originate as a non-doctrinal faith, but in the last half century, Unitarian Universalism has become a non-doctrinal faith. That's why I like it. Early Christianity was a practice rather than a doctrine. I regard faith as a practice, not as a set of beliefs. Unitarian Universalism is right for me for that reason.

 

[Ohioprof]

Because you disagree with God, you do not speak for Him. So....

I do not disagree with God. I disagree with you.