One Jesus, two testimonies?

[lincolngreen50]

I think it's a mistaken post. It makes no sense to say, "The whole gay argument can be defeated." What "gay argument" is that? That gay people exist? Of course we exist; I am a living example of that.

Do you want to "defeat" the argument that gay people should be treated fairly and with respect? Why would any Christian advocate NOT treating someone fairly and with respect?

This whole line of reasoning, which seems aimed at making us gay people disappear entirely, makes no sense to me. We are not going to disappear.

If you read your Bible,(but of course you dont believe it)
You are mistaken in saying that God is only love.
He hates sin.He destroys perpetual sinners.
Example,Sodom and Gomorah,The Great Flood.The Hittites,Jebusities were all killed, men women and children because of their sin.
The Isrealites were the instrument of of Gods judgment on these people.
The city of Niniva was destroyed 100 years after God had given it mercy.
Jesus will return with a Sword not a lamb and destroy the wicked.
God is not just only love.
He is our creater and He is mercyful and He will be our Judge.
How long do you think the Lord is going to wait until He decides to smite the Wicked from the face of the Earth.
Read the book of Revelation,The Revelation of Jesus Christ.THE WORD OF THE LORD.
Jesus came as a lamb but will come back as a lion.

 

[MercyBurst]

I think it's a mistaken post. It makes no sense to say, "The whole gay argument can be defeated." What "gay argument" is that? That gay people exist? Of course we exist; I am a living example of that.

I refer to post:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]

Do you want to "defeat" the argument that gay people should be treated fairly and with respect? Why would any Christian advocate NOT treating someone fairly and with respect?

non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]

This whole line of reasoning, which seems aimed at making us gay people disappear entirely, makes no sense to me. We are not going to disappear.

non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]

 

[Ohioprof]

If you read your Bible,(but of course you dont believe it)
You are mistaken in saying that God is only love.
He hates sin.He destroys perpetual sinners.
Example,Sodom and Gomorah,The Great Flood.The Hittites,Jebusities were all killed, men women and children because of their sin.
The Isrealites were the instrument of of Gods judgment on these people.
The city of Niniva was destroyed 100 years after God had given it mercy.
Jesus will return with a Sword not a lamb and destroy the wicked.
God is not just only love.
He is our creater and He is mercyful and He will be our Judge.
How long do you think the Lord is going to wait until He decides to smite the Wicked from the face of the Earth.
Read the book of Revelation,The Revelation of Jesus Christ.THE WORD OF THE LORD.
Jesus came as a lamb but will come back as a lion.

Thank you for sharing this, but the Bible is not my religious authority. I read it only as a historical source, not as the word of God.

 

[Ohioprof]

So by implication.
1.You do not believe in creation,Adam and Eve , well that figures.
2.You do not believe the great flood happened,the story of Noah
3.You do not believe the story of Moses and the creation of Israel in the promised land,
And so on.
4.You do not believe in the birth of Jesus,his death and resurrection,the cornerstone of Christian belief.
AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN.
Do you believe in Satan?
Satan is the great deceiver and your words are deceiving.

Are you really sure it is God that you are listening to?

I do not believe in Satan. I do believe in some of what is in the Bible, specifically that which is supported by scholarship. I do not believe that Adam and Eve existed, nor do I believe in a virgin birth or a literal resurrection.

I am a Christian because I try to follow the teachings of Jesus, as best scholars can discern what his teachings were.

 

[Ohioprof]

I refer to post:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]




non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]



non sequitor, ref sections [1.1], [1.2], [5.6], [5.7]

Your response here is not clear.

 

[Ohioprof]

I am curious why no one has responded to the apology and to the testimony of the former "ex-gay" leader Michael Bussee, who founded Exodus. Is it because what Bussee says about his own experiences does not confirm your preconceptions about gay people?

 

[Blockwell]

No, Christians do speak for God all the time. He relies on us to do that.

What an incredibly flawed system for getting His message out.

Since so many people claim to be Christian and also speak for God, I am left with no clearer a picture of God’s message then I was before we communicated.

Why should I believe anyone who claims to understand and preach the Word of God? I also once felt that I was privy to the Word, and shared it with others. I had an overwhelming since of the Holy Spirit within me and I wanted to share it with everyone. However I kept running up against people with the same certitude of conviction that I had, yet believed differently. Obviously we could not all be right. Once I turned my critical eye against myself, I recognized just how arrogant and presumptuous my attitude was. My inner spiritual experiences were just that, mine. To believe that somehow I was special and understood God’s plans was now embarrassing to contemplate.

There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth. You are all a dime-a-dozen in my eyes. You can tell me to pray all you want, but in the end our beliefs differ and both hold equal validity. The only difference is that I am honest enough to admit that I could be wrong and I find that to be a great strength.

Blockwell

 

[Ohioprof]

What an incredibly flawed system for getting His message out.

Since so many people claim to be Christian and also speak for God, I am left with no clearer a picture of God’s message then I was before we communicated.

Why should I believe anyone who claims to understand and preach the Word of God? I also once felt that I was privy to the Word, and shared it with others. I had an overwhelming since of the Holy Spirit within me and I wanted to share it with everyone. However I kept running up against people with the same certitude of conviction that I had, yet believed differently. Obviously we could not all be right. Once I turned my critical eye against myself, I recognized just how arrogant and presumptuous my attitude was. My inner spiritual experiences were just that, mine. To believe that somehow that I was special and understood God’s plans was now embarrassing to contemplate.

There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth. You are all a dime-a-dozen in my eyes. You can tell me to pray all you want, but in the end our beliefs differ and both hold equal validity. The only difference is that I am honest enough to admit that I could be wrong. I find that to be a great strength.

Blockwell

Good post.

 

[MercyBurst]

Your response here is not clear.

That's because your questions were off-topic.

 

[MercyBurst]

I am curious why no one has responded to the apology and to the testimony of the former "ex-gay" leader Michael Bussee, who founded Exodus. Is it because what Bussee says about his own experiences does not confirm your preconceptions about gay people?

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

section [5.5b] added, section [5.7] ammended

 

[MercyBurst]

What an incredibly flawed system for getting His message out.

Since so many people claim to be Christian and also speak for God, I am left with no clearer a picture of God’s message then I was before we communicated.

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

sec [1.1], [4.0]

Why should I believe anyone who claims to understand and preach the Word of God? I also once felt that I was privy to the Word, and shared it with others. I had an overwhelming since of the Holy Spirit within me and I wanted to share it with everyone. However I kept running up against people with the same certitude of conviction that I had, yet believed differently. Obviously we could not all be right. Once I turned my critical eye against myself, I recognized just how arrogant and presumptuous my attitude was. My inner spiritual experiences were just that, mine. To believe that somehow I was special and understood God’s plans was now embarrassing to contemplate.

sec [1.1],[1.2], [4.1-4],

There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth.

exactly what Paul said in 1 Cor 8.

You are all a dime-a-dozen in my eyes. You can tell me to pray all you want, but in the end our beliefs differ and both hold equal validity. The only difference is that I am honest enough to admit that I could be wrong and I find that to be a great strength.

Blockwell

agreed, and Paul made the same point in 1 Cor 8.

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

so in the end it doesn't matter what any of us believe. What matters is the body of Christ:

sec [5.0-8]

 

[Psalms 119 v 105]

"There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth. You are all a dime-a-dozen in my eyes"

To God we are not dime a dozen. We are precious in his sight and that is all that matters. At the end of the day, God doesn't need anyone to defend his word, but he does require that we live by truth and not to compromise his word.

I feel there are those on this board want some of us (who hold fast to truth) to agree with beliefs that condradict what is in the word. For us to compromise from this truth and become activists for their agenda. I know some don't believe the bible is the word of God or take the entire book seriously...that is a choice however, some are here to make sure truth is being said from his word: Bible and if speaking from the bible is considered nothing unique then I guess you are 100% right, there is nothing unique about those who claim to speak the truth especially if they are quoting straight from the word itself.

 

[MercyBurst]

"There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth. You are all a dime-a-dozen in my eyes"

To God we are not dime a dozen. We are precious in his sight and that is all that matters. At the end of the day, God doesn't need anyone to defend his word, but he does require that we live by truth and not to compromise his word.

I feel there are those on this board want some of us (who hold fast to truth) to agree with beliefs that condradict what is in the word. For us to compromise from this truth and become activists for their agenda. I know some don't believe the bible is the word of God or take the entire book seriously...that is a choice however, some are here to make sure truth is being said from his word: Bible and if speaking from the bible is considered nothing unique then I guess you are 100% right, there is nothing unique about those who claim to speak the truth especially if they are quoting straight from the word itself.

I agree with you Psalms, but LOVE defeats the gay-affirming argument, and God is Love.

Might I refer to a previous post:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

[4.4] The SIN epitaph for day-affirming doctrine, ironically, is a lack of compassion and a total disregard of some struggling believers in Christ.


The gay-affirming doctrine hurts the body of Christ, and hence it is sin by definition. It must be cast out.

I Cor 8:12 And when you sin against other believers[c] by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ.

As long as any weak Christian believer struggles with this moral issue, then his or her beliefs must count more than anyone else's. As a brother or sister, our conduct will not make them offend their own conscience.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Dear Ohioprof,I thank you for your honesty about Adam & Eve and the Resurection.If you look in Luke3:23to38 it traces the roots of Jesus to Adam who was the Son of God. Adam was the image of God his son.Jesus was the Son of God.John.1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.God,Adam and Jesus are the Word.They are linked.Jesus died and rose after 3 days.The cornerstone of Christian belief.We are born again in Christ if we believe in the Resurrection,ask Jesus to forgive our sins in our heart and believe He died for our sin dept.To be saved no other belief will do.
In Romans 8:8-11
So then,those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
But you are not in the flesh,but in the spirit,if indeed the spirit of God dwells within you.Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,he or she is not His.
And if Christ is in you,the body is dead because of sin,but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwells in you.
You have to believe in the resurrection to have eternal life.

 

[Psalms 119 v 105]

I agree with you Psalms, but LOVE defeats the gay-affirming argument, and God is Love.

Might I refer to a previous post:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40384665&postcount=175

[4.4] The SIN epitaph for day-affirming doctrine, ironically, is a lack of compassion and a total disregard of some struggling believers in Christ.


The gay-affirming doctrine hurts the body of Christ, and hence it is sin by definition. It must be cast out.

Actually MercyBurst, I agree with you on that. Too many are focused on the book of the Bible but forget the God of the Bible.

We need to constantly (at all times) balance: Mercy, Love and Truth.

God Bless

 

[GenemZ]

Thank you for sharing this, but the Bible is not my religious authority. I read it only as a historical source, not as the word of God.

Why even read it?


After all...... it refers to itself as being the Word of God.


You want to read a book that contradicts itself?


I wouldn't. It would make me look stupid to do so.

2 Corinthians 4:2 (New International Version)
"Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
​

Interesting verse to read.





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[MercyBurst]

Actually MercyBurst, I agree with you on that. Too many are focused on the book of the Bible but forget the God of the Bible.

We need to constantly (at all times) balance: Mercy, Love and Truth.

God Bless

Good, you are getting there. Let me take it a step further so you can see how to defeat this foe.

The evidence is the spirit that gays have not shown, and even believers are overlooking.

ALL believers are part of Christ. WE can not be a witness unless Christ is in us. Christ can not witness AGAINST Himself. The spirit IS the witness.

According to this witness, Love is the ulitimate law of Christ.

Christian brothers and sisters are family, and their needs are higher on the list of priorities than the world's needs.

The witness tells us that we are supposed to care for them and their struggles. The gay-affirmers persecute ex-gay Christians instead.

By their fruits you will know them.

This pink-eyed gay dragon is totally toast you see.

This argument from 1st Corinthians 8 can not be defeated because it is based on LOVE. Paul slays the dragon once again through the Holy Spirit. amen and amen.

This gay dragon is utterly and totally defeated, and the proof is bullet-proof. Get the word out and celibrate.

The spirit is the victory.

 

[Blockwell]

There is nothing unique about anyone who claims to speak The Truth.

exactly what Paul said in 1 Cor 8.

Apparently Paul was unable to make the leap to include himself in that revelation of his.

 

[MercyBurst]

Apparently Paul was unable to make the leap to include himself in that revelation of his.

congratulations. you are finally understanding. It isn't what we know that counts, it's the body of Christ that counts.

This is only good sense anyway. I care greatly for my own earthly brothers and sister. Shouldn't I do even better for my Chrsitian Brothers and Sisters?

FAMILY MATTERS.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,I thank you for your honesty about Adam & Eve and the Resurection.If you look in Luke3:23to38 it traces the roots of Jesus to Adam who was the Son of God. Adam was the image of God his son.Jesus was the Son of God.John.1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.God,Adam and Jesus are the Word.They are linked.Jesus died and rose after 3 days.The cornerstone of Christian belief.We are born again in Christ if we believe in the Resurection,ask Jesus to forgive our sins in our heart and believe He died for our sin dept.To be saved no other belief will do.

Thank you for sharing your beliefs. They are not my beliefs, but I appreciate diversity of viewpoints.