One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, there is disagreement about what is unacceptable "incest." First cousin marriages are legal in many states, and in many other nations.

THIS is your response to the excellent truth given you by genez?

I just can't believe it!

 

[Gwenyfur]

Stop the personal remarks!!!!!!!


Stick to the topic, but the member is off limits!!!!

Clear enough?

Any further disruptions will result in thread closure!​

 

[Floatingaxe]

One Jesus, Two Testimonies? is the topic.

We are seeing a cult form before our very eyes: Christianity 2: A Different Jesus. A Jesus who winks at sin.

It leads to destruction because that "Jesus" is a fabrication from hell.

 

[lincolngreen50]

One Jesus, Two Testimonies? is the topic.

We are seeing a cult form before our very eyes: Christianity 2: A Different Jesus. A Jesus who winks at sin.

It leads to destruction because that "Jesus" is a fabrication from hell.

 

[tulc]

We are seeing a cult form before our very eyes: Christianity 2: A Different Jesus. A Jesus who winks at sin.

It leads to destruction because that "Jesus" is a fabrication from hell.

No, what you're seeing is people who wont let you define who Jesus is for everyone around them.
tulc(there's a difference)

 

[lincolngreen50]

One Jesus, Two Testimonies? is the topic.

We are seeing a cult form before our very eyes: Christianity 2: A Different Jesus. A Jesus who winks at sin.

It leads to destruction because that "Jesus" is a fabrication from hell.

A new definition of sin is being preached.
Soon those who deceive will want to rewrite the Ten Commandments

 

[tulc]

Is it just me or does everyone have some type of spell check? If a word is spelled wrong I get a red line under it, anyone else have that?
tulc(who's name is now always underlined)

 

[savedandhappy1]

Is it just me or does everyone have some type of spell check? If a word is spelled wrong I get a red line under it, anyone else have that?
tulc(who's name is now always underlined)

I don't get that, can you tell me how to? Thanks.

 

[GenemZ]

Was the bigotry experienced by Matt Shepherd all in his mind? Was the murder he experienced because of bigotry all in his mind?

What the heck? One person + two bigots?

And all of society is wrong?

That don't add up.

Please, get off your guilt inducement trip you are trying to put on us. It was terrible thing that happened. Most people would have never done that. Yet, you try to make us all collectively guilty for what happened. That's making use of guilt inducement.

I would have never murdered Matt Shepherd. Most likely, at that time of my life I would have handed him a salvation tract and maybe talked with him for a while.

Now, go try to induce guilt somewhere else. You have no target here. What you are trying to do angers me, and I see as being a perversion of the truth.


In Christ, GeneZ



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[Floatingaxe]

No, what you're seeing is people who wont let you define who Jesus is for everyone around them.
tulc(there's a difference)

You obviously don't have a clue that Jesus declares openly who He is, and Christians who love Him and have given their lives to Him know who He is.

It is those who have an ulterior motive to remain in their sin who want to review who He is and make Him another Jesus altogether.

You have bought the lie, and to approve of them doing this is just the same as ypou doing what they do also.



floatingaxe( there is no difference, you know )

 

[GenemZ]

No, what you're seeing is people who wont let you define who Jesus is for everyone around them.
tulc(there's a difference)

The Bible says that bestiality is sin. How many times is it mentioned in the Torah? Yet, every Jew knew it was a terrible sin. They did not have to be reminded.

The Bible says incest is sin. How many times is it mentioned in the Torah? Yet, every Jew knew it was a terrible sin. They did not have to be reminded.

Now? Homosexual acts? They are written about more times than bestiality and incest.

And? What do you have to interject?

Jesus came to uphold the Law. The Law will be used to condemn every unbeliever who rejects Jesus Christ. The Jesus Christ. Not some imagined christ, who they raise up to please their flesh.

Romans 3:19 (New International Version)
"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God."
​

The authority of the Law has not ended for those who reject Jesus Christ! Homosexuality is still condemnable to death before God's throne. It will be God's kingdom and laws that they will be under jurisdiction to at the final judgment.

Galatians 5:18 (New International Version)
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law."
​

Its only those who are led of the Spirit that are free from the Law. And, if you are led of the Spirit? You will without a doubt, see homosexuality as a terrible sin without having to be told. That is why they need not be under the Law. That's the catch.

John 16:7-8 (New International Version)
"But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment."
​

And, that is what many Christians are doing here in regards to making it known that homosexuality is a sin! For they are Spirit led in this area, and the world is being told where to go... and about where it is going if one's do not repent.


Some here try and tell us...

"God loves me just the way I am!"
​

If that were true?


Then Jesus did not have to die on the cross for them. For, God would love them just the way they are!

God loves us because of who God declares us to be when we believe in Jesus Christ.

Yet?

If we desire to cling to what he had to die for? We lose all blessings and rewards. The sufferings we face are of our own doing (reaping what we sow) and not for righteousness sake.

Then these ones try to blame Christians for their suffering because faithful Christians will stick with the Word of God. That is when the faithful ones suffer for righteousness sake. Hang in there! There are rewards and blessings in store for those who persevere.


So it is... so it will be. In Christ, GeneZ




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[Ohioprof]

The Bible says that bestiality is sin. How many times is it mentioned in the Torah? Yet, every Jew knew it was a terrible sin. They did not have to be reminded.

The Bible says incest is sin. How many times is it mentioned in the Torah? Yet, every Jew knew it was a terrible sin. They did not have to be reminded.

Now? Homosexual acts? They are written about more times than bestiality and incest.

And? What do you have to interject?

Jesus came to uphold the Law. The Law will be used to condemn every unbeliever who rejects Jesus Christ. The Jesus Christ. Not some imagined christ, who they raise up to please their flesh.

Romans 3:19 (New International Version)
"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God."
​

The authority of the Law has not ended for those who reject Jesus Christ! Homosexuality is still condemnable to death before God's throne. It will be God's kingdom and laws that they will be under jurisdiction to at the final judgment.

Galatians 5:18 (New International Version)
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law."
​

Its only those who are led of the Spirit that are free from the Law. And, if you are led of the Spirit? You will without a doubt, see homosexuality as a terrible sin without having to be told. That is why they need not be under the Law. That's the catch.

John 16:7-8 (New International Version)
"But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment."
​

And, that is what many Christians are doing here in regards to making it known that homosexuality is a sin! For they are Spirit led in this area, and the world is being told where to go... and about where it is going if one's do not repent.

I think that gay people are the spirit in this area. We are the ones who know what "homosexuality" really is. People who read the Bible and then throw stones at gay people mostly do not know anything about us, from the way they write about us.

 

[Ohioprof]

I quote from The Geneva Bible 1560
1Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons, nor buggerers.
Buggerers.Those who practise Anal intercourse.
As Christians it is only right to point out that those not following the Word of God and try to communicate a lie about Gods Word will be Judged by Him.
2 Peter 2:18-19 (New King James Version)

Deceptions of False Teachers
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit, and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.

Dear Ohioprof,It is irrelevent whether one believes in the Word of God,The Holy Scriptures or not,Gods Judgment will still apply.
There are Christians,young people out there who are new in their belief and God will not take kindly to those who try to influence God`s children from the Word of God.

I will continue to state my beliefs whether you agree with them or not. That's how it is.

 

[Ohioprof]

Don't pollute. The people who killed that young boy were evil hateful men. Yes, they were hateful, murderous bigots.

Christians, however, are carrying the truth to you and you refuse it. They speak to you out of the love of Jesus, and not bigotry. Calling us bigots reveals you have no discerning power, that you cannot recognize truth when it is before you. It says to me that if He stood before you, you would call Jesus every name in the book also. Worse than bigotry, in my book.

I am a Christian, and I am stating my understanding of the truth. It's fine for you to share your beliefs with me, but don't expect me to embrace them just because you state them. I don't expect you to embrace my beliefs just because I state them either. I don't expect you to embrace my beliefs at all; you are free to believe as you wish, and I accept that. I understand the truth in my way, just as you understand the truth in your way.

 

[Ohioprof]

Gays and lesbians are also some of the greatest pushers of prejudice in our society.

If you don't agree with their agenda, you're suddenly bigoted and hateful and a homophobe.

There are people who really are homophobic. Calling them what they are is not "bigotry;" it's accuracy.

I apply the word "homophobe" only to those who take the most extreme positions: people like Fred Phelps. I think most people probably agree that he is a homophobe. I do not regard people who simply view "homosexuality" as a sin as necessarily homophobes. They may truly like and accept gay people but think that same-sex relationships are a sin. I think they are wrong in the latter viewpoint, but I would not label such people "homophobes." I think the term does not apply to them.

That's just my thinking about this.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
No you do not, you do not view the same message as me, the message I view and believe is the whole Biblical testimony., you say you dont believe it. So you cant have the same Jesus.
How do you know what the moderator has warned me about?

These threads are about debates on homosexuality Ohioprof, not just how Christians 'should treat gays'.

In fact Ohioprof this thread is about One Jesus two testimonies and how that cant be the same Jesus, yes I am sticking to the topic.

The moderator warned the whole thread about not making this an inquisition. Her admonition was not directed specifically to you. She told the posters here to get back on topic or have the thread closed down.

As for the topic, debates on "homosexuality" are debates about how Christians should treat gay people.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
As my example shows there is what you call bigotry against Christians. But you are the one who has been crying biogtry, not FloatingAxe or myself, I dont have to respond to FloatingAxe, its your remarks that I am addressing.

If you have an issue with someone saying that bigotry is all in our minds, then you need to take it up with the person who said it, not with me. Please stop trying to pick a fight with me over something you actually agree with me on.

Is there bigotry against Christians? Yes, though not so much in the United States as in some other countries. There has also been bigotry against specific Christian sects, sometimes by Christians from other sects.

You and I apparently agree that real bigotry exists, and I challlenge Floatingaxe's claim that bigotry is all in our minds. Bigotry is real, as experienced by those who are killed or harmed because of it.

 

[lincolngreen50]

I will continue to state my beliefs whether you agree with them or not. That's how it is.

When one states their belief,one is trying to influence others in ones belief.
One can have a belief but one dosn`t need to share it,one can keep it to ones self.
As a Christian,the most inportant relationship they have is with Jesus Christ.
Jesus knows all about ones belief,one has to answer to him,it matters not what anyone else thinks about ones belief.
This is a debate forum,one comes on this thread to debate ones belief.
Some though are on this forum to spread their belief.
If in my opinion there are those who are spreading disbelief about the Word of God on this board then it is my belief as a Christian that one should point this out to
those who`s faith in the Word of God requires support.

 

[tulc]

When one states their belief,one is trying to influence others in ones belief.

uhmm not really.

One can have a belief but one dosn`t need to share it,one can keep it to ones self.

On a board like this why should they? Isn't that the point? Sharing your beliefs?

As a Christian,the most inportant relationship they have is with Jesus Christ.

True.

Jesus knows all about ones belief,one has to answer to him,it matters not what anyone else thinks about ones belief.

also true

This is a debate forum,one comes on this thread to debate ones belief.

three true in a row!

Some though are on this forum to spread their belief.

Some? I thought everyone was here for that.

If in my opinion there are those who are spreading disbelief about the Word of God on this board then it is my belief as a Christian that one should point this out to
those who`s faith in the Word of God requires support.

So we're all agreed we need to share what we believe, right?
tulc(hopes he understood your post)

 

[Floatingaxe]

I think that gay people are the spirit in this area.

We write the truth. You spurn it. The "spirit in this area" is the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 2:22
So who is lying here? It's the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that's who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.


1 John 4:2
Here's how you test for the genuine Spirit of God. Everyone who confesses openly his faith in Jesus Christ—the Son of God, who came as an actual flesh-and-blood person—comes from God and belongs to God. And everyone who refuses to confess faith in Jesus has nothing in common with God. This is the spirit of antichrist that you heard was coming. Well, here it is, sooner than we thought!


1 John 2:18
[ Antichrists Everywhere You Look ] Children, time is just about up. You heard that Antichrist is coming. Well, they're all over the place, antichrists everywhere you look. That's how we know that we're close to the end.