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Once Saved, Always Saved?

Do you agree with OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved)?

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Ok...I smell what you are stepping in. Some believe that Jesus was literally rebuking Satan who was trying to put wicked thoughts in Peter's head. So the rebuke was not directed to Peter, but to Satan who was present.
 
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Or when you have two switches that control one light, then it could be up or down to turn thr light on.[emoji4]
 
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Catholics are christians. They believe the gospel too. They believe that Jesus saves. Althought I think they add to the salvation process (which i do not agree), but they are saved nonetheless.
Did I say they don't? I'm sorry if I insinuated that.
 
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Scripture uses the language of both free will in response to God's call (if you seek me you will find me, Deuteronomy 4:29, Proverbs 8:17 & Jeremiah 29:13) and of election by God (Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated, Malachi 1:3 & Romans 9:13). It is important therefore not to throw either out because of human logic. There is no disagreement between Paul and John, or between Old Testament and New.

From what I have read of this thread, there is broad concensus that we are all sinners (Romans 3:23) and that Jesus died for our sins once and for all (Romans 6:10 & Hebrews 9:28). There is nothing that we can offer that can save ourselves. We all see that as followers of Christ we are called to be holy (Leviticus 20:26 & 1 Peter 1:16) and to deny ourselves and carry our crosses (Mat 16:24), but that we do stumble (James 3:2), and that when we do, we are to return to the Lord in repentance (and also confess to one another where we have wronged them, James 5:16). By the fruit of God's redeeming work in us (both in thought / character and in deed) we see that His Holy Spirit is working in us for salvation, so that we can say both that we are saved and that we will be saved.

We also see that there is no "sinner's prayer" in scripture, but that it this prayer is meant to point us to a true conversion and salvation, which God enables and sustains by means of a new spiritual birth and the indwelling of His Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14). We are not to "continue in sin so that grace may abound" (Romans 6:1). We are not to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). We all see people, who, having put their hand to the plough, look back (Luke 9:62), who wither away due to the cares of the world (Matthew 13:22). True faith perseveres (there is a good article on "Grace to You" on this topic - http://www.gty.org/resources/articles/A318/true-faith-perseveres). We look at those who fall away, and depending on whether we use the language of free will or election, we say that that person has fallen away from saving grace, or was never one of the elect and never born again.

We do not need to argue over the framing of the call, but we need to call all people to trust and believe in the Lord Jesus and to obey all that He commanded (Matthew 26:20). We are called to examine ourselves to see that we are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). We are called to good works that God has prepared for us to walk in (Ephesians 2:10). We need to persevere in the faith, dying to self and to not follow false teachings. Our security comes from the fact that, as we believe and trust in Him (which will be evidenced by our works, James 2:18), we know that He is fathful and just to forgive us all of our sins (1 John 1:19) and that He is able to keep us until the dreadful day of the Lord (Jude 24-25), to be numbered with the saints and to live with God forever.

When we stand there, we will look back, and we will give glory to God only, and we will say, He has done all things well! Hallelujah!
 
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Written to the Hebrew folk in that day, warning them about almost confessing Jesus as Savior, then backing away.

And this one

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Written to Christian folk. Paul tells those whom he was once with to rejoice in their Faith, steadfastly studying Paul's writings and applying them: "Engage yourselves in the Truth you have received with respect and awe."
 
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Catholics are christians. They believe the gospel too. They believe that Jesus saves. Althought I think they add to the salvation process (which i do not agree), but they are saved nonetheless.
thats like saying all basket ball players are saved lol.. you cant say that .. i would never say that about pentacostals . it sisnt true .juts because they are of a certain denomination does not mean they are save and not every one who claims to be christian is saved either ..
and one thing that displays a person is not saved is their lack of obedience .you can say your a follower of clinton all you like for example .. but if you vote for trump .. well i guess your not . so it is with faith , you can say your a follower of Jesus ,but if you follow after sin at the same time ,or follow a man made organisation ,or a man made office (which includesidolatries) then ..i guess your not .. its not ones words but ones action which displays that old proof pudding
 
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Or when you have two switches that control one light, then it could be up or down to turn thr light on.[emoji4]

You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out,
You put your left foot in,
And you shake it all about.

 
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Yep... her true nature is revealed and it doesn't look or smell christian-like.
NO .. her not fully understood opinion was revealed and her momentary annoyance was revealed ..like mine is being now .. but her character was not revealed and certainly not up for judgment
 
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In my years as a pastor I never experienced that atll. Maybe we minister to different peoples.
 
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I think your incorrect. But no matter how much proof I give, no matter how much scripture I gave, You have given none. Please support you position with Scripture, then we can dialogue. Our opinions are just that.
 
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In my years as a pastor I never experienced that atll. Maybe we minister to different peoples.
Interesting. Are you really saying that you never had people who obeyed God with their lips, but were far away from Him in their hearts (Isaiah 29:13 & Matthew 15:8)? And that you had no-one who was sexually immoral, an idolator or who were perjurers / liars etc (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 & Revelation 21:8). My church has these. These are people who say that morality changes and therefore we don't need to follow Jesus' commands any more. Is it possible to be in a church and not have these? The Early Church certainly had them. And we were such as these.
 
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Welcome to CF, enjoy you time, get to know people you have a lot in common with.

Not the way you stated it when I read it. Sure people have all kinds of struggles with salvation. More often that not those who were having big difficulties were ones that really did not know the Lord. Many who doubted they were saved were avoiding responsible for sin in their life, sometimes sexual unfaithfulness. Perhaps the biggest was porn addiction. About 75% to 80% of all so called Christian men are regular viewers of porn. Don't forget 60% the pastors, they have reported about 60% are also viewers of porn. It makes me sick to think of refereeing someone to a pastor that watches porn.

People who struggle as Christians are not honest about sin in their lives. That is a problem, and sin causes people to doubt their salvation. But 1John 1: 9 must be taken seriously. Often God forgives us, but we can not forgive ourself.
 
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I think you should read St. Augustine more carefully. In "On the Predestination of the Saints" book 2, Chapter 9 entitled
When Perseverance is Granted to a Person, He Cannot But Persevere.
Chapter 14
It is God's Grace Both that Man Comes to Him, and that Man Does Not Depart from Him.
Chapter 33.— God Gives Both Initiatory and Persevering Grace According to His Own Will.

He cites both Ambrose and Cyprian in making his case.
 
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Now to be fair.. Some would say that osas is a doctrine of devils.
 
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It was a general comment. I guess i probably should have said was, "just because someone is Catholic, doesn't mean their not Christian".
 
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NO .. her not fully understood opinion was revealed and her momentary annoyance was revealed ..like mine is being now .. but her character was not revealed and certainly not up for judgment
I can see how my comment could be seen as a personal attack. So that is my fault and I apologize. I was in no way trying to tell Vanillasunflower that she was not a Christian. I was sarcasticly saying that her behavior was unbecomming as a christian. If that makes sense. Either way, I apologize for the way it came across.
 
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