once saved always saved

The devil is not fooling us Archieve.

And nobody said EVERYONE is saved and going to heaven.

And you are right false teachers will get theirs in the end. (Ed)

Friends,

Being born again is being created again as a one new man with Jesus as HEAD and YOU as part of his BODY, the CHURCH (Eph. 2:15; Col. 1:1 .

Of course, BEFORE you can be born again, you have to be BOUND by the TRUTH. That means you have to hear the TRUE gospel (of course, you can only hear the TRUE gospel from TRUE preachers SENT by God), BELIEVE what you hear and get BAPTIZED (to be ADDED) into the TRUE church of Christ (the Iglesia Ni Cristo) in these last days.

Once INSIDE the church, you are IN UNION with Christ as your HEAD and you are no longer condemned. For as long as you are CONNECTED to Christ as member of HIS body, you are SAVED no matter what happens. INSIDE the BODY or church of Christ, the new man (you) is expected to RENEW his life as a new creation and acquire the mind of Jesus - humble and obedient.

However, once you go back to your wicked ways and are SEPARATED from the VINE (you are EXPELLED from the church - 1 Cor. 5:12-13), you become APART from Christ - WITHOUT God and WITHOUT hope in the world (Eph. 2:12).

Ed

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Which i nothing more than becoming a Christian.

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Lie. Babtism is not required for salvation.. it is a desire a Christian has after, and is commanded of every Christian to do, but not require for salvation.

Baptism will not get you into Heaven.

And, the "True Church of Christ" is not the man made institution of the INC. he "true Chruch of Chrsit" is everyone who asked Jesus to come into their life.

The True Chruch of Christ, was and has been around, since Adam, and long before the INC was dreamed up.

The Church existed in the OT, and the NT, through out the darkages, and through to today.

"Being born again is being created again as a one new man with Jesus as HEAD and YOU as part of his BODY, the CHURCH (Eph. 2:15; Col. 1:1 ."

Um...ed so when a man says, "I am the head of the household." do you think he's a read head? That's wack man...real wack.

"of course, you can only hear the TRUE gospel from TRUE preachers SENT by God"

Yup, and that's everyone

There is nothing that can seperate you from the church or christ's love, that is very clearly said in scripture. Once you are a TRUE believer, you will never loose your salvation.

Answer me, how can someone who knows the truth, reject that truth for a lie he knows to be a lie?

That is what you are saying.

Have oyu ever met anone who did the things you describe above, and then go on a reject God?

Also, people can talk the talk pretty well.. and appear, to even themselves, that they are saved.. but they are foling themselves, becassu they truly don't beleive in what they do.

Nevetstrebla,

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If we can lose our salvation then how do you explain this verse which tells us that nothing can separate us from the love of Jesus?

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The verse does NOT say "nothing can separate us from the love of Jesus." That's SUBSTITUTING Jesus for God which is FALSE and a MISREPRESENTATION.

Anyway, apostle Paul was talking to people who are INSIDE or MEMBERS of the church of Christ. What apostle Paul means by this is that the "love of God is IN Christ Jesus" and as long as they are MEMBERS and INSIDE the BODY of Christ, they remain IN UNION with Christ and the "love of God" ABIDES in them.

Remember what God says in Eph. 2:12. "APART from Christ...you are WITHOUT God and WITHOUT hope in the world."

Ed

nevetstrebla,

AMEN! God is God of grace and Faithfulness!

One way to look at salvation.

Imagine we are in a ship at sea (Garden of Eden). The ship sinks (Adam sins). We are then in the sea (sin) and in danger of drowning (being cast into the lake of fire at Judgement).

Low and behold, a rescue ship appears (Jesus is born). A life line is thrown to you (Jesus crucified and resurrected). You grab the life line (Accept Jesus and baptized).

In a sense, at that time you are "saved". But a better term should probably be "rescued", because until you have been pulled into the boat (Resurrection and New Jerusalem), there is still a chance that you may not be able to hold onto the life line.

drmmjr,

"In a sense, at that time you are "saved". But a better term should probably be "rescued", because until you have been pulled into the boat (Resurrection and New Jerusalem), there is still a chance that you may not be able to hold onto the life line."

We have nothig to do with our salvation. Yes we have to accept His gift but that is not a work. Faith is not a work. jesus did the work. Really a better example would be that God came off of the boat and swam out under His own power and held out His hand for us to grab. Once we grab the hand we can't be torn from Him. Because He is holding us not us holding Him.

here are some verses to think about.

Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels , nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;

om 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become
accountable to God;
Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He
passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where then is boasting ? It is excluded. By what kind of law ? Of works ? No, but by a law of faith.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Blackhaw

Drmmjr.. the problem with your anlogy is that it relies party on us to save our selves. We don't and will never have that power.

And I am proud to be a Christian, where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the Lord who died that gave Salvation to me.

ZoneChaos,

I'll aggree that we don't have the power to save ourselves. But we have to make the descision to accept the saving grace of God. In that sense, we are grabbing the life line.

The salvation is there, but if we don't make the move to take it, then it does us no good. Likewise, if we turn away from that salvation, we loose it. It's still there for us to go back to, but unless we make the descision, we won't have it.

Blackhaw6,

In my analogy, grabing the line represented a person realizing they were a sinner and needed to accept Jesus as their savior. Not that they were saving themselves by their own power. Although, by making that descision they do save themselves through Jesus.

Even though someone would turn away from salvation, that doesn't mean that God ceases to love them, or ceases to want to give them salvation. But since man was created with free will, God leaves the choice of accepting His gift.

The salvation is there, but if we don't make the move to take it, then it does us no good. Likewise, if we turn away from that salvation, we loose it. It's still there for us to go back to, but unless we make the descision, we won't have it.

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And as I stated above.. once you were being pulled in by the life line of Jesus Chrsit.. why would you reach into your pocket and cut the rope?

What you said above I would only apply to those in the water that cannot or do not want to see the salvation waiting for them.

saving..

"So, you'll just reject those years when the fruits of the Spirit were so evident in his life? "

So? I have seen people produce the "fruits of the spirit" that weren't christians. it takes more then good works to give ya into heaven...then again it doesn't

"Yet, those kids knew his love for them and for Jesus because they experienced it every single Sunday for years. "

Do you know that passage that says many called Lord Lord.....and another passage that says we drove out deamons in your name and God says depart from me I never knew you...is this any different??