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I don't think any man speaks for God on earth. Jesus said that we are all sinners. All imperfect people who are all saved by the grace of God. The traditions of man are not the words of God. God does not put imperfect people in His stead. He is God.Hermas, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Eusebius of Caesarea and others bluntly articulated a special importance for the bishop of Rome. Where do you suppose they got that idea?
It was not a false belief system, it is the first step in the right belief system...
Neogaia777 said:Really? Jesus did not say to the man to sell all he had and follow after him? I think he did...
Neogaia777 said:Which proved to the man that he was not keeping the law and was lying, he had money as an idol, and he was lying about it or bearing false witness...
Neogaia777 said:None of us is or can be perfect
Neogaia777 said:None of us is or can perfectly keep the law, no reason though not to have it as aim, target, or goal though... Those who think they can or are are liars...
Neogaia777 said:Jesus wanted to eliminate money as and idol or god in the man's heart...
Jesus would have worked with the man more and further and in greater detail if he had not gone away from him...
Neogaia777 said:The law is a first step, and the point of it at first is for us to admit we have and do fall short of keeping it,
Neogaia777 said:then we go though a "process", notice I said it is a process and does not happen overnight, if it happens in full at all, we go through or enter into a lifelong process of trying to attain to the laws standard, with God's help, and not without it, which is another point of it, that we cannot do it on our own, or through self-effort alone, we "need" God, and his assistance and help in our lives...
Neogaia777 said:God Bless!
By trying or exerting self-effort, or any kind of effort in "trying" to keep the commandments, by observing the commandments, you will fail miserably...
You must observe Christ by faith, not the letter of the law(s)...
The repentance is only true and effective if it brings forth the fruit. If a branch does not bear fruit, it is good for nothing but to be cut off and thrown into the fire: "He then said to the crowds who came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore produce fruit consistent with repentance. And don't start saying to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." "What then should we do?" the crowds were asking him. He replied to them, "The one who has two shirts must share with someone who has none, and the one who has food must do the same." Tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they asked him, "Teacher, what should we do?" He told them, "Don't collect any more than what you have been authorized Some soldiers also questioned him: "What should we do?" He said to them, "Don't take money from anyone by force or false accusation; be satisfied with your wages." [The Baptist is giving his listeners instructions as to how they are to behave as penitents: aka, keeping God's commandments].Keeping the commandments must be a "fruit" of faith, true, right Belief, and a truly converted person... A fruit not a work. )...
Right believing Lives and grows with repentance, but withers and dies without it. Repentance is a free act of human volition (choice) in response to the Word of God. That freedom either to continue in repentance of sin and communion with God, or to turn back to sin and thus, sever communion with God, remains until death, after which it is too late to repent any more.Not by a work of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, or in faith of the law being a "fruit" of perfected faith... Not a work, not by effort, but a fruit of right believing, are those who have the fruit of keeping the commandments, by right believing and a, in short, "perfect(ed) faith"
Fulfillment of the law comes by the law of faith or right believing, and by that faith, fulfills it as a fruit, and not by a work...
Those ones are known by the Lord and they know him...
God Bless!
I'm on the other side of repentance right now, and I feel like I have passed though that narrow gate, that kept getting narrower and more cramped and confining till I actually repented of all the Lord was asking and someone was pressuring me to repent of... Notice I say "everything he personally asked, or put pressure ON ME PERSONALLY to repent of", this included open confession as well, of things, I did not and was not going to speak of, but, I finally did, and when I did, and repented, I felt like the pressure got less, like I passed through that gate, and things started and are getting easier now with time and enjoying now, my relationship with him...Yes, that is exactly why one must try, otherwise one cannot fail. For it is through the failure that one begins to realize the depths of ones depravity, and through this realization (revealed by the Holy Spirit) one is prepared to receive the gift of true poverty of spirit ("Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven"). Without poverty of spirit, one is accursed.
It is not the letter of the law that is the concern of God, but our repentance that He desires ("The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit. A broken and contrite heart, O God, Thou will not despise. Do good, O Lord, in Thy good pleasure. Rebuild the walls of Jerusalem. Then wilt Thou delight in right sacrifices: in burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings. Then bulls will be offered upon Thine altar.")... elsewhere, ("I desire mercy and not sacrifice").
The repentance is only true and effective if it brings forth the fruit. If a branch does not bear fruit, it is good for nothing but to be cut off and thrown into the fire: "He then said to the crowds who came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore produce fruit consistent with repentance. And don't start saying to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." "What then should we do?" the crowds were asking him. He replied to them, "The one who has two shirts must share with someone who has none, and the one who has food must do the same." Tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they asked him, "Teacher, what should we do?" He told them, "Don't collect any more than what you have been authorized Some soldiers also questioned him: "What should we do?" He said to them, "Don't take money from anyone by force or false accusation; be satisfied with your wages." [The Baptist is giving his listeners instructions as to how they are to behave as penitents: aka, keeping God's commandments].
Right believing Lives and grows with repentance, but withers and dies without it. Repentance is a free act of human volition (choice) in response to the Word of God. That freedom either to continue in repentance of sin and communion with God, or to turn back to sin and thus, sever communion with God, remains until death, after which it is too late to repent any more.
Yet how many are deceived by thinking they are saved because they lie to themselves that they have the faith of Abraham, but are only deceived because they have not the repentance of Abraham, but rather, the pride and conceit of Satan?: "And don't start saying to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father (i.e. we are justified by our belief)' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."
Unless we fight to continue through the narrow gate of repentance, any good fruit we may produce (especially "right belief") will eventually wither and die (probably because it gets replaced with pride). This is the will of Satan and his demons. We are in a spiritual war against them that if we lose, will result in our being thrown into the fire along with them when the Son of Man returns to judge all. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."(Ephesians 6:12) "Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." (1 Peter 5:8) "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:36)
And how quickly a good heart can turn bad if we don't watch ourselves carefully. When we start thinking we are much better people than we really are, decieving ourselves that we are something that we are not. That can happen fairly quickly without repentance.Yes, that is exactly why one must try, otherwise one cannot fail. For it is through the failure that one begins to realize the depths of ones depravity, and through this realization (revealed by the Holy Spirit) one is prepared to receive the gift of true poverty of spirit ("Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven"). Without poverty of spirit, one is accursed.
It is not the letter of the law that is the concern of God, but our repentance that He desires ("The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit. A broken and contrite heart, O God, Thou will not despise. Do good, O Lord, in Thy good pleasure. Rebuild the walls of Jerusalem. Then wilt Thou delight in right sacrifices: in burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings. Then bulls will be offered upon Thine altar.")... elsewhere, ("I desire mercy and not sacrifice").
The repentance is only true and effective if it brings forth the fruit. If a branch does not bear fruit, it is good for nothing but to be cut off and thrown into the fire: "He then said to the crowds who came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore produce fruit consistent with repentance. And don't start saying to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." "What then should we do?" the crowds were asking him. He replied to them, "The one who has two shirts must share with someone who has none, and the one who has food must do the same." Tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they asked him, "Teacher, what should we do?" He told them, "Don't collect any more than what you have been authorized Some soldiers also questioned him: "What should we do?" He said to them, "Don't take money from anyone by force or false accusation; be satisfied with your wages." [The Baptist is giving his listeners instructions as to how they are to behave as penitents: aka, keeping God's commandments].
Right believing Lives and grows with repentance, but withers and dies without it. Repentance is a free act of human volition (choice) in response to the Word of God. That freedom either to continue in repentance of sin and communion with God, or to turn back to sin and thus, sever communion with God, remains until death, after which it is too late to repent any more.
Yet how many are deceived by thinking they are saved because they lie to themselves that they have the faith of Abraham, but are only deceived because they have not the repentance of Abraham, but rather, the pride and conceit of Satan?: "And don't start saying to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father (i.e. we are justified by our belief)' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."
Unless we fight to continue through the narrow gate of repentance, any good fruit we may produce (especially "right belief") will eventually wither and die (probably because it gets replaced with pride). This is the will of Satan and his demons. We are in a spiritual war against them that if we lose, will result in our being thrown into the fire along with them when the Son of Man returns to judge all. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."(Ephesians 6:12) "Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." (1 Peter 5:8) "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:36)
The nature of the struggle changes, from what we have been lead to understand by spiritual teachers who have become strongly anchored in faith, by grace. In ways it becomes easier, (or light: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.") They also maintain, however, that the enemies of our salvation never give up, just change tactics according to how far along one has progressed into True knowledge of God.I'm on the other side of repentance right now, and I feel like I have passed though that narrow gate, that kept getting narrower and more cramped and confining till I actually repented of all the Lord was asking and someone was pressuring me to repent of... Notice I say "everything he personally asked, or put pressure ON ME PERSONALLY to repent of", this included open confession as well, of things, I did not and was not going to speak of, but, I finally did, and when I did, and repented, I felt like the pressure got less, like I passed through that gate, and things started and are getting easier now with time and enjoying now, my relationship with him...
He did not ask complete perfection out of me, but what he did ask of me, I obeyed, and I'm soo, sooo glad I did now...
He may require more of me in the future, if he does, this time, I plan on obeying, immediately this time...
Oh, as I progress, I notice that as my faith is getting better and stronger and my relationship with him grows I am finding it much easier to not make as many mistakes, and am doing much better (not perfect yet) but doing much better with the law as I go...
God Bless!
All right, I think your just out to make a stir, so, I'm going to keep this as short as possible,You believe Jesus was trying to get the rich young ruler to see that he could not keep the Law under any circumstance. This is something Jesus never said.
On the contrary. Jesus said the exact opposite. Let me repeat to you what the rich young ruler and Jesus said so it sinks in.
The Rich Young Ruler said,
“...what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And Jesus said,
"...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”
(Matthew 19:16-17).
So was Jesus lying when He said we have to keep the Commandments in reply to the rich young ruler's question on what good thing he must do to have eternal life? Was Jesus correct when He said we have to keep the Commandments as a reply to what must we do to have eternal life?
Yes, or no?
No. I was referring to the other parts you said that is not specifically stated within Scripture. Do you want me to quote all of what you said?
It is true that the the rich ruler was putting his money before God because he was not willing to give those riches up to follow Jesus. But there is nothing about him lying, though. That would be something you are adding to Scripture that is not there.
So then Jesus lied when He told us to be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect?
What about when God said for us to be ye Holy as He is holy?
Did not Jesus say to the rich man, if you want to be perfect, sell all that you have and give it to the poor? (Matthew 19:21).
Did not Peter say to Jesus the following words?
"Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? " (Matthew 19:27).
Did not Jesus conclude this matter in Matthew 19 with the following words?
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life." (Matthew 19:29).
I mean, honestly. How does the above words of Jesus even make sense in your view. The short answer is that they don't make sense.
Actually, you have things backwards. The Bible says,
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).
Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15).
Do you love Jesus?
Is it possible to love Jesus by keeping His commandments?
Jesus seems to think so because He says,
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21).
23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
(John 14:23-24).
Was it just about the rich ruler making money into an idol or was the problem in him being rich?
Did not Jesus say it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?
Do you think this rich ruler could have been rich and still follow Jesus?
So Jesus was deceiving the rich ruler? He was giving him a false answer? Eternal life is not thru keeping the commandments? If the point was not about keeping the Law, then why did Jesus care about this rich ruler in making an idol out of his money? Is not making an idol out of you riches against God's law? If the point was to show that the rich ruler could not keep God's laws (such as not giving up one's riches), then Jesus would not have let the rich man go. He would have told him to just believe in Him. If what you say is true, then Jesus would not have also concluded with the words He did in verse 29, too.
Okay. Now you are saying we can keep God's laws?
Yes, I agree we can keep God's laws and I agree that it is only with God working thru us can such a thing be possible.
May the Lord's love shine upon you.
And may you please be well.
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I think I've been trying to get him to run out of ammo with me (the enemy(ies)) And most of his tricks are getting pretty old for now as there the same ones over and over (that used to scare the hell out of me and caused me all kinds of problems) But, after a while, you get used to it and it becomes very old, it seems like the same old bag of tricks or tactics after a while... And, I'm getting used to responding to them and saying things like, "really... This again... You've got to be kidding me, this is getting really old, not going to work now, go away!" And, like I said or like I'm going to say, it's only because God is with me and on my side that I am able to do this (now)...The nature of the struggle changes, from what we have been lead to understand by spiritual teachers who have become strongly anchored in faith, by grace. In ways it becomes easier, (or light: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.") They also maintain, however, that the enemies of our salvation never give up, just change tactics according to how far along one has progressed into True knowledge of God.
I also think we have the experience of the last time we went through it we have that success under our belt, so to speak and we don't need to contemplate the answers again really, if we questioned anything, we just know what we need to do to kick it in the butt and move on. Once you kind of are able to overcome something then you remember that you overcame it and remember how you did it.I think I've been trying to get him to run out of ammo with me (the enemy(ies)) And most of his tricks are getting pretty old for now as there the same ones over and over (that used to scare the hell out of me and caused me all kinds of problems) But, after a while, you get used to it and it becomes very old, it seems like the same old bag of tricks or tactics after a while... And, I'm getting used to responding to them and saying things like, "really... This again... You've got to be kidding me, this is getting really old, not going to work now, go away!" And, like I said or like I'm going to say, it's only because God is with me and on my side that I am able to do this (now)...
God Bless!
Maybe that's why the Bible tells us "He who endures to the end...? (will be saved) (it will get easier, maybe?)...I also think we have the experience of the last time we went through it we have that success under our belt, so to speak and we don't need to contemplate the answers again really, if we questioned anything, we just know what we need to do to kick it in the butt and move on. Once you kind of are able to overcome something then you remember that you overcame it and remember how you did it.
And then the next time you really don't have to remember how you did it because you see it coming before it actually get's to be a problem. And you become more aware of it coming and see it sooner coming.
I don't know. What I think is that it all starts with really loving God. Period.Maybe that's why the Bible tells us "He who endures to the end...? (will be saved) (it will get easier, maybe?)...
Thanks for the reply,
God Bless!
Yes, it does... And I do think I had to go through what I went through to be able to arrive at a point to where I love God now, like or in the way in which you describe... Does seem to make a notable difference when that kind of love for him becomes really "real"..I don't know. What I think is that it all starts with really loving God. Period.
Because otherwise you are trying, trying, trying but the motivation is only there not to go to hell, which becomes a burden so to speak if you do not love God.
If you love God, then pleasing Him comes along with love and it is not a burden that you are trying, trying, trying at anymore just for the reason of not going to hell (although that is a good reason, for sure).
I think the hard part to get past, at least for me was to love God enough that I wasn't always trying so hard, but doing it kind of like normal.
It was the heart or motivation behind what I was doing. Once I could not live without God, I knew I in my heart did not have a choice because I could not live my life without God and rebell. So once I knew that I was with God for the long haul, then I just said "ok God, we are doing this!".
Now, I couldn't leave God if I tried. If I would be in sin I would be miserable because I would not feel right with God so I know that I have to do the right thing for me in a way because I cannot not be with God. I know that sounds odd, but if I tried to be someone else like a massive sinner I could not be happy. I would not enjoy sinning because I would not be doing what I want to do because I would feel so out of step with who i am, kindof like I am not me without Him.
Once you accept that you cannot sin because you dont want to or cannot be without God then the path is really clear and you just go, because you cannot, not go. If that makes sense.
The Lord does give commandments, and teaches that only those persons who keep them are known by God. These verses posted above don't contradict the Lord's teaching that we must keep His commandments if we are to receive Eternal Life, because only those who, by faith, repent of sin and confess Christ, truly believe in Him. This is what the whole Gospel teaches. To repent is to reject all sin within yourself and to do the perfect will of God rather than one's own sinful will. Those who believe they are saved while not repenting and keeping Christ's commandments are deceived, being among those who have tried to enter by the wide way, which leads to perdition. Within all of Christendom, there are always very few who truly believe in and confess Christ.
When we die, we are not afraid to die or even if we are afraid to die we know that we will be going to a place where we will be with our Savior forever. If we listen to the two commandments that Jesus left us with, which is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind then we will not be happy to die, but we will be happy when we are united with our Lord.
And when we are with Him, He promises that there will be no more tears, no more pain, no more sorrow only joy in heavenly places with Him where we will be co-heirs with Christ to the Father for eternity.
So death, even though it is not a joy will be beneficial for us. Not a place of sorrow or pain or hell, but eternity with the God who loved us enough to die for us.
After Adam and Eve sinned, in Genesis it says that if God would not have removed them from the Garden of Eden and they would have eaten from the Tree of Life that they would have lived forever, but in sin and apart from God.
God did not want His Children to live in sin and pain without Him for eternity so He numbered the days that mankind would have on this earth, so eventually we would be released from our bodies and sinful nature and be with God in heaven.
By trying or exerting self-effort, or any kind of effort in "trying" to keep the commandments, by observing the commandments, you will fail miserably.
Acts 19:18 and James 5:16.I totally disagree. Where in the New Testament under the blood of Christ has a person ever been told to go through a third party when talking to God or repenting for sins? Please list the scripture.
Historical? I have no idea what you mean by historical unless you think the Catholic church has some claim to the apostle Peter which I would disagree with as well and ask for your proof of that.
I should add that Catholics are not the only ones who place considerable import to the writings of the Early Church. The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and others regard the passages cited above (in addition to many others I have not included for brevity's sake) to be authoritative as to the historical practices of Confession and Penance. This is significant inasmuch as they hold no special regard for the Pope beyond possibly primus inter pares.Miscellaneous Early Church Members said:"Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life... On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure"
- The Didache, A.D. 70
"You shall judge righteously. You shall not make a schism, but you shall pacify those that contend by bringing them together. You shall confess your sins. You shall not go to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light."
- Letter of Barnabas, A.D. 74
"For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of penance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ."
- Ignatius of Antioch, A.D. 110
"For where there is division and wrath, God does not dwell. To all them that repent, the Lord grants forgiveness, if they turn in penitence to the unity of God, and to communion with the bishop."
- Ignatius of Antioch, A.D. 110
"A final method of forgiveness, albeit hard and laborious is the remission of sins through penance, when the sinner... does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord..."
- Origen, A.D. 248
Sola Scriptura is your limitation. Please don't try making it mine.I live by God's Word, not man's.
Looks like the Early Church didn't get the memo.This happened once in this specific situation and was the blessing of Christ Himself on disciples, not a general statement to the church after the disciples deaths.
The communion of the saints isn't divination... unless, as with so many other things, we radically alter the dictionary definition of what divination is.I don't think the Bible puts it the same way. The Bible is pretty clear that it is all types of divination.
Because some of them were trained by apostles themselves. Moreover they lived in a time and place where the practice of divination was day-to-day reality instead of the hypothetical scenario it is for most people today.Why does it matter what another man/human being does if God's Word tells us that is it an abomination to God?
You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Even many Church Fathers regarded Rome as a uniquely special jurisdiction.I don't think any man speaks for God on earth. Jesus said that we are all sinners. All imperfect people who are all saved by the grace of God. The traditions of man are not the words of God. God does not put imperfect people in His stead. He is God.
I was talking about being spiritually dead (without God) versus spiritually alive (reconciled to God, have God indwelling us, ie Holy Spirit) I don't know if I made that clear or not. We do still have physical death because otherwise all of the people not reconciled back to God through Christ would live forever in their sin as humans as would we, since we receive Christ's righteousness to reconcile us back to God, not our own being non-sinful anymore or not having the desire to not sin anymore.Thank you for that explanation. You explained how you look at Christian death, and I appreciate that. However, it answered a different question than the one I asked. What I asked was not rhetorical. It was a pointed question whose purpose was to refute the statement I quoted. The assertion was that our redemption by Christ restores us to the state of Adam and Eve before the Fall. That is not true.
I don't believe it is the same at all.Acts 19:18 and James 5:16.
If you look at what I said I said "I LIVE by sola scriptura ..." I did not indicate that you must. I was speaking for myself.Sola Scriptura is your limitation. Please don't try making it mine.
All right, I think your just out to make a stir, so, I'm going to keep this as short as possible,
Neogaia777 said:Not that the rich young ruler could never eventually attain to keeping the law, but that he was not currently, in this he was lying, though not aware of it until Jesus told him to give up his money...
Neogaia777 said:Jesus was working within his framework of where he was currently at in his walk, which was that by "trying" through "self-effort" to keep the commandments would get him in, this is a first step in our walk that is not till we fall on our face with it, God reveals the next steps to take, not until then...
Neogaia777 said:By trying or exerting self-effort, or any kind of effort in "trying" to keep the commandments, by observing the commandments, you will fail miserably... You must observe Christ by faith, not the letter of the law(s)... Keeping the commandments must be a "fruit" of faith, of true, right Belief, of a truly converted person... A "fruit" not a work. Not by a work of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, or in faith of the law being a "fruit" of perfected faith... Not a work, not by effort, but a fruit of right believing, are those who have the fruit of keeping the commandments, by right believing and a, in short, "perfect(ed) faith"...
Neogaia777 said:Fulfillment of the law comes by the law of faith or right believing, and by that faith, fulfills it as a fruit, and not by a work...
Neogaia777 said:The only work you should do is whatever is necessary to strengthen bolster and increase your faith, your believing right, and if you focus on this and not the letter of the law, as you work on only your faith, fulfilling the law will be a fruit of that...
Neogaia777 said:If a man love me he will keep my words about the New Covenant that is superior to the law, and that is of faith, which is superior to the law,
Neogaia777 said:I'm curious, in all of this, I'd like to ask you then, How you suggest we should go about keeping the commandments and how to do it successfully? (and I'd appreciate an answer to at least this, if you could, please)
Neogaia777 said:God Bless!
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