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Once saved always saved...Biblical?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by JKnappGirl, Oct 6, 2001.

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  1. ZoneChaos

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    I think J meant the second exmaple Tracy... though I could be wrong.. but don't think so. ;)

    I agree with what Josephus said. I do not beleive anyone cand or would want to lose Salvation once they were saved (Asked Jesus to be Lord of thier life.)
     
  2. Josephus

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    The second example, Tracy. :)

    My only point was to clarify what "being saved" really means because if you lose your salvation, then you "weren't really saved" - and some people get confused about that.

    I was trying to tie in salvation with the fact that Jesus should be both your Savior and your Lord; but I had a question that if this was the case, then what would happen if you made something else Lord in or life, or would it be impossible to make anything else Lord of your life once you've let Jesus on the throne of your heart?

    The answer I seem to be getting, is that once you open your heart to letting Jesus reign on the throne of your heart, your body then becomes the temple of the Holy Spirit (basically God in you) and never can he leave because you are now righteous in his sight, no matter what you do. The only thing that matters after that point though is what type of reward you will get when you are glorified and forever with Jesus.
     
  3. JKnappGirl

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    You see, I take that passage differently...of course.[​IMG]
    I take that passage to mean that if people believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will go to heaven. Jesus will give me and all those who believe eternal life.
    I believe in the whole "umbrella of Grace" idea; you can choose to be under the umbrella {saved} or out from under the umbrella {unsaved}. And you can step out {or in} of that boundary at any time.
    {Ugh. I'm so not good at this...*sigh*}
    Anyway, I really don't think it matters though. All that matters is our belief, or non-belief, in Jesus. No matter what denomination we choose, or what our other beliefs are...only Jesus.
     
  4. LouisBooth

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    I would have to disagree with the statement that you can loose your salvation due to certain passages in galatians. I would also say that in John 3 Jesus talks about being born again..you don't get born several times, just once ;)
     
  5. ZoneChaos

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    The problem i have with this is:

    If you know the truth (under the umbrella), why would you step out from under it? I don't think humans are that fickle when it comes to this type of decision. There is alot to beleiving.

    If someone was stepping on and out of "the umbrela" I would question their salvation and would not think they really knew what to believe.
     
  6. LouisBooth

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    Zone.."If you know the truth (under the umbrella), why would you step out from under it? I don't think humans are that fickle when it comes to this type of decision. There is alot to beleiving. "

    You can't really hold to that postion either since everyone is shown the truth and some do not take it. :) I'm on your side on this, but you can't use that as a primary reason.
     
  7. Aquafina1

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    We just had this huge debate about this in my theology class.

    I cant really say anymore because everyone else has already said it, but I believe that once God writes that name down into the lambs book of life that he never erases it. Just doesnt fit his character to promise eternal life and then go back on his word.

    However I believe there is some confusions about being saved. People make an emotional commitment and cry or show some sort of emotion. In their mind they are changed, their emotions say they are. But their will does otherwise. I believe that if they walk away from God than they never gave him everything like he asked. They gave him 50/50 or did it for show. I dont think a true christian can walk away from God.

    My mother believes otherwise, and my dad believes like me...great debates at the dinner table.
     
  8. ZoneChaos

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    Amen, and thnx for the post Aquafina1.
     
  9. LouisBooth

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    "However I believe there is some confusions about being saved. People make an emotional commitment and cry or show some sort of emotion. In their mind they are changed, their emotions say they are. But their will does otherwise. "

    That's the difference between true and false faith..commitment. Many will say to me, Lord, Lord but I will say depart from me I never knew you (pharaprase).
     
  10. JKnappGirl

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    There's something wrong with that comment...I just can't put my finger on it...no offense! I think it reminds me of what the rich young man said.
    Who's to say you can't be born again? Also, I don't believe a person has to be baptised to go to heaven.
    1 Peter 5:8
    "Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."
    There's a reason Satan is called the "Great deciever"...Just because you "know the truth" doesn't mean you can't be decieved into thinking the opposite.
     
  11. LouisBooth

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    "Who's to say you can't be born again? Also, I don't believe a person has to be baptised to go to heaven."

    No my assertion is that Jesus says you have to be spirutally born again (born by the spirit) now if you say you can loose your salvation you are saying you get born many many times. In this passage (John 3) it doesn't seem to advocate that, since Jesus compares it to physical birth which happens once and only once. I don't think you have to be baptised to go to heaven either :)
     
  12. nevetstrebla

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    Eternal security? Yes, indeed.

    Romans 11:29

    For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    Romans 6:23

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    The word "repentance" found in 11:29 in Greek means "irrevocable." The definition of irrevocable is unchangeable, irreversible, unalterable, etc.. We know from 6:23 that one of God's gifts is eternal life so, therefore, it cannot be taken away from us.

    Can we cause ourselves to lose it?

    Romans 8:38-39

    For I am persuaded, that neither deather, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    From this verse it is very clear that NO CREATURE or anything else could separate us from God's love. We cannot separate ourselves from Him.

    Why?

    Jude 24-25

    Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

    We don't have to keep ourselves from falling because He can do that for us.
     
  13. HisPeculiarTreasure

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    I've read some of this topic and just wanted to say I belive what was just posted. You can not lose your salvation, once you are His child you are always his child. You may wonder and stray, but he always takes you back. That is what is so wonderful about our savior. No matter how many times you mess up He's right there with open arms, just waiting for us to realize that it's us who's moved not him. He's ready to forgive. AWESOME.
     
  14. ZoneChaos

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    :)
     
  15. Josephus

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    whether or not we've made Jesus Lord of our life is proved by what we do.
     
  16. Archieve

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    Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation iwth fear and trembling.

    People say once saved, always saved. - Think if that was true, why does hell have christians in it?
     
  17. PrinceJeff

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    Archieve thanks for that passage I was wondering where it was! :)

    Then they were never really Christians then. And who is in hell that claimed Christianity anyways? Just curious. There is a difference between calling yourself a Christian and actually being one. Only God knows your heart. :)

    Jeff
     
  18. Archieve

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    Jeff, if you don't have the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in tongues you are not saved.
     
  19. PrinceJeff

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    I have never spoken in tongues Archieve. It is not a requirement for salvation. I have the Holy Spirit. You said you have never been to a Pentecostal Church, but they are the ones who teach what you say: "if you don't have the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in tongues you are not saved."

    Nowhere in the Bible does it support that.
     
  20. LouisBooth

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    ARch..Jesus NEVER spoke in tongues.
     
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