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Once saved always saved...Biblical?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by JKnappGirl, Oct 6, 2001.

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  1. nevetstrebla

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    Where is the proof that if you are saved then you will speak in tongues? Please provide the scripture that backs your position.
     
  2. The Squalid Wanderer

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    how can they then accept anything else?

    Romans 1:18-25

    I suppose it would go something like that.
     
  3. The Squalid Wanderer

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    does not preclude me abandoning that hand.
     
  4. LouisBooth

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    Yes it does if you have that person there. If you look at that verse and its context it is clearly saying that being born again is a one time thing. You are a christian and if it truely happens you can't not be a christian ever again. Once saved always saved.
     
  5. The Squalid Wanderer

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    Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage...You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

    Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end
     
  6. LouisBooth

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    Yup, that affirms what I said :) Read romans chapter 8.
     
  7. The Squalid Wanderer

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  8. LouisBooth

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    I guess you missed verses like "Who will bring any chage against those whom God has chosen?"

    Check the last few verses.

    Then in accordance with the illistration Jesus used in John 3 let me ask you..how many times can you be born? Just once. :) that should solve it for ya.
     
  9. The Squalid Wanderer

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    None of the verses you mentioned preclude me from abandoning God. They do promise that if I remain in Christ that nothing can take me away from him, but this in contingent upon me remaining in Christ, by the grace of God, of course.

    Perhaps we are interpreting these verses differently, which leads us to different conclusions concerning what they are saying or implying.
     
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  11. LouisBooth

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    I think that's the point. there is no way you can "stay in christ" Romans makes that clear. its not "you" that does anything" thus what God does can not be undone.

    romans8:28-30 and to show ya its not us just read some eps. :)
     
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  13. LouisBooth

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    Oh yeah it does :) I think verse 30 makes it quite clear. :) Once you are saved, you are always saved. then he hits it home in verse 33.
     
  14. The Squalid Wanderer

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    I would have used verses 29 and 30 to disprove that God predestines us independent of what we do, since his predesination is contingent on his foreknowledge.
     
  15. LouisBooth

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    "I would have used verses 29 and 30 to disprove that God predestines us independent of what we do, since his predesination is contingent on his foreknowledge. "

    I would say differently and according to Paul, "It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy." you misinterperted the verse :)
     
  16. The Squalid Wanderer

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    indeed does not depend upon our will nor our efforts but upon God.

    This does not mean that we are not required to do anything. God's sovereignty does not cancel out our wills.

    God works all things in us and yet everything can be ascribed to free will.
     
  17. Thunderchild

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    Pre-destination is an interesting topic.

    In some of the verses which people attempt to use as proof that pre-destination is factual, it is not the person that is pre-destined, but that the good things of heaven that are predestined for the person. That is to say: For the one who is faithful, good things are in store, and have been in store from the beginning of time.)

    There are people who claim that the promise "I will never blot his name from the book of life" proves that OSAS is correct. They neglect the first four words of that passage - "For those who endure."

    OSAS has a problem at core - God is not willing that ANY should die. There are some who die. Despite the fact that it is God's will that all should have eternal life - some will not.

    Likewise the argument that It is not by works = <font color=red>I would say differently and according to Paul, "It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy." you misinterperted the verse </font> - there has indeed been a misinterpretation. For God demands that a person respond appropriately when grace (translated from the word "charis", charity) is extended.
     
  18. LouisBooth

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    "OSAS has a problem at core - God is not willing that ANY should die. There are some who die. Despite the fact that it is God's will that all should have eternal life - some will not. "

    Well umm..Romans answers that question quite nicely ;) Just check chapter 9. the quote Paul used from Exodus says it all.
     
  19. InspectorVol

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    2 Peter 2:20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
    21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of rightousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
    22: But it has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    Hebrews 6:4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify unto themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Revelations 3:5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my father, and before his angels.

    Revelations 22:19: And if any man take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    All of these verses show that a man can follow God and then he can fall away and be damned.
    I have also seen this verse on here several times;
    John 10:28and 29: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    29: My father, which gave them to me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my fathers hand.
    It is somewhat easy to see how one would take this verse to mean OSAS and attach it to our human existence. However if we look at this in conjunction with all other verses in the bible we see that while we are here on this earth it is possible that once we have known the truth to fall away from it.
    After we come into our Fathers Kingdom then we are OSAS and no one can pluck us out of his hand, just not while we are on this earth.
    It is really very simple.
     
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