FreeGrace2 said:
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God gave Adam only 1 prohibition in the garden.
...yet though deemed to be innocent by many, Adam was given a command which must not conflict with
1 Timothy 1:9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, etc, etc.
The big difference is that Adam wasn't created sinful, but everyone born is sinful.
...the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels - time to rethink Adam's status perhaps as supposedly the only innocent person to be given a command.
Didn't apply to Adam.
It is well within the meaning of the words to think that Adam and Eve were already sinful when they were sown, (planted, not created) in the garden as per Matt 13:36-39.
Nonsense. Read Gen 1:26,27. In v.26 we find 'asah', which means to make out of existing materials. Adam was formed from the dust of the ground.
v.27 has "barah" which means to create out of nothing. So the 2 verses show that Adam's body was made, and his soul was created.
To claim that God created Adam as "already sinful" is absurd.
The other problem with Adam being innocent in the garden is that when their eyes were opened to their sin, they saw the nakedness they had before they ate, not the sin of their eating. Both the Hebrew word `rm used as a hominem for evil and their eyes being opened to their previously held nakedness (an oft used metaphor for sinfulness) imply that by having this condition before they ate imply strongly they were already sinners when they ate.
I'm not going to get into the details, but there is scientific evidence even now that living bone is an led (light emitting diode). It is entirely possible that Adam and Eve actually glowed. And when they sinned, they lost the glow, which revealed a changed body.
So it wasn't about being too stupid to know they had no clothes on. Duh. Without a glow, they were left with nothing. That was their nakedness.
Then there is the small point of Adam being the first to bring sin into the world. In my book the serpent entered the garden with sinful intent to sin and tempted Eve, the first to sin. Then Eve ate, the second to sin and tempted Adam, the third to sin, when he ate.
OK. Your point?
It makes sense to say Adam brought sin into the world if Adam was a sinner when he was moved from Sheol into his human body and as the first person in the garden, was the first to bring evil into world.
Where do you get this notion that Adam "was moved from Sheol into his human body"?? Sounds kinda weird.
Adam was the first to sin, yes. But evil pre-existed Adam as you noted about Satan. So evil began with Satan.
This is a logical explanation of the words and story that supports my contention Adam and Eve were sinners before they ate the fruit
This is absurd. Then you are basically saying that God created sin.
You need to study Gen 2:17 - but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when (the day) you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Did Adam or the woman collapse and die physically when they ate the fruit? No, they didn't. What happened was they died spiritually. And lost their glow.
That's when they became sinners. When they sinned. Not 1 millisecond before.