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Romans 3:21. But now, apart from law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and the prophets,
22. the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction,
23. since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God;
24. they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25. whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith. (NRSV)
Was that your answer to the question about Adam you see as a myth? :scratch:

Read his question again.
 
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Rom 5:12


Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
I don't think he understands your question.... Or, maybe chooses to divert because you caught him in an inconsistency.
 
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Rom 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
The first eleven chapters of Genesis begins with these words,

1. In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2. the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

Domes are not used to cover spheres—they are used to cover flat objects such as disks and plates, hence we see in these verses the nearly universal belief of ancient peoples that the earth is flat and covered with a dome (Hebrew, רָקִיעַ; Greek [Septuagint], στερέωμα). It can be argued that the Apostle Paul had a very good education and would have known that the earth is spherical rather than flat, and yet in Romans 5: 12-19 he taught the doctrine of original sin and the gift of righteousness though Jesus Christ, naming Adam as a type of Christ. However, Paul was Jewish to core (“circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;” Philippians 3:5), and he may have therefore rejected as error the teaching that the earth is spherical, and believed Genesis 1:6-8 where it explicitly says “God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.” That is, because of his very strong Jewish predisposition, Paul believed that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historic events—a belief that is actually nullified by the fact that the earth is spherical rather than flat—not to mention very many other facts!
 
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The first eleven chapters of Genesis begins with these words,...
2. the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

It does not say that in the Hebrew.

Jeremiah quotes that passage to tell the rebellious Jews he was prophesying to about the horrible destruction they were about to face from the hand of God's justice. "Formless and void" sounds so sedate. It speaks of a chaotic and ruined state of the earth after having faced a terrible judgment by destruction.,...

If you do not believe me? Read Jeremiah 4:22-23. Verse 23, is word for Hebrew word the same words as found in Genesis 1:2!

“For My people are foolish,
They know Me not;
They are stupid children
And have no understanding.
They are shrewd to do evil,
But to do good they do not know.”

I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light."


And, note. Jeremiah had to add something later in verse 27.

It was to let Israel know that they would not be utterly destroyed like the state the earth was found in Genesis 1:2!

Jer 4:27 -
For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,

Yet I will not execute a complete destruction."
(a total destruction was found in Gen 1:2)


Genesis 1:2 spoke of a complete destruction of the earth! That is why Jeremiah had to add verse 27 on at the end of his prophesy against the rebellious Jews. If he hadn't? Jeremiah quoting Gen 1:2 in the Hebrew to the Jews who spoke Hebrew? And, not modifying it? It would have meant that all Israel would have been wiped out by God.

Those Jews in their rebellion were doing horrendous evil things. They could have easily believed they did deserve utter annihilation. But, the Lord told them their judgment would not be as bad as what was found in Genesis 1:2.

"Formless and void" is a lame, misleading translation. But, people like how it sounds. Others want to know what it really says.
 
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The first eleven chapters of Genesis begins with these words,

1. In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2. the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

Domes are not used to cover spheres—they are used to cover flat objects such as disks and plates, hence we see in these verses the nearly universal belief of ancient peoples that the earth is flat and covered with a dome (Hebrew, רָקִיעַ; Greek [Septuagint], στερέωμα). It can be argued that the Apostle Paul had a very good education and would have known that the earth is spherical rather than flat, and yet in Romans 5: 12-19 he taught the doctrine of original sin and the gift of righteousness though Jesus Christ, naming Adam as a type of Christ. However, Paul was Jewish to core (“circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;” Philippians 3:5), and he may have therefore rejected as error the teaching that the earth is spherical, and believed Genesis 1:6-8 where it explicitly says “God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.” That is, because of his very strong Jewish predisposition, Paul believed that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historic events—a belief that is actually nullified by the fact that the earth is spherical rather than flat—not to mention very many other facts!
 
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The first eleven chapters of Genesis begins with these words,

1. In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2. the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

Domes are not used to cover spheres—they are used to cover flat objects such as disks and plates, hence we see in these verses the nearly universal belief of ancient peoples that the earth is flat and covered with a dome (Hebrew, רָקִיעַ; Greek [Septuagint], στερέωμα). It can be argued that the Apostle Paul had a very good education and would have known that the earth is spherical rather than flat, and yet in Romans 5: 12-19 he taught the doctrine of original sin and the gift of righteousness though Jesus Christ, naming Adam as a type of Christ. However, Paul was Jewish to core (“circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;” Philippians 3:5), and he may have therefore rejected as error the teaching that the earth is spherical, and believed Genesis 1:6-8 where it explicitly says “God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.” That is, because of his very strong Jewish predisposition, Paul believed that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historic events—a belief that is actually nullified by the fact that the earth is spherical rather than flat—not to mention very many other facts!
It actually says firmament. Dome is the result of a modern version of the Bible which I don't rely on except the New King James
 
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The first eleven chapters of Genesis begins with these words,

1. In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2. the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

Domes are not used to cover spheres—they are used to cover flat objects such as disks and plates, hence we see in these verses the nearly universal belief of ancient peoples that the earth is flat and covered with a dome (Hebrew, רָקִיעַ; Greek [Septuagint], στερέωμα). It can be argued that the Apostle Paul had a very good education and would have known that the earth is spherical rather than flat, and yet in Romans 5: 12-19 he taught the doctrine of original sin and the gift of righteousness though Jesus Christ, naming Adam as a type of Christ. However, Paul was Jewish to core (“circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;” Philippians 3:5), and he may have therefore rejected as error the teaching that the earth is spherical, and believed Genesis 1:6-8 where it explicitly says “God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.” That is, because of his very strong Jewish predisposition, Paul believed that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historic events—a belief that is actually nullified by the fact that the earth is spherical rather than flat—not to mention very many other facts!
You mentioned the first 11 chapters of Genesis so do you believe in the Framework view?
 
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You mentioned the first 11 chapters of Genesis so do you believe in the Framework view?
What does the Hebrew teach us? Any idea?

I have seen parts of Genesis exegeted by two different experts in the Hebrew language. Many things translated into English are not exacting enough to avoid the presumption we end up with with at times when we read English translations.

Translations are only an introduction to a concept that should leave questions as well as answers. For the translation is no better than the understanding of the doing the translating. The translator must explain himself in order to grasp what is needed to be known. That is why the Lord gave us pastor-teachers. Not saying all pastors are good enough. Only a few will be, as James 3:1 tells us it should be.
 
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What does the Hebrew teach us? Any idea?

I have seen parts of Genesis exegeted by two different experts in the Hebrew language. Many things translated into English are not exacting enough to avoid the presumption we end up with with at times when we read English translations.

Translations are only an introduction to a concept that should leave questions as well as answers. For the translation is no better than the understanding of the doing the translating. The translator must explain himself in order to grasp what is needed to be known. That is why the Lord gave us pastor-teachers. Not saying all pastors are good enough. Only a few will be, as James 3:1 tells us it should be.
You should be a politician. You never answer the question
 
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I'm not quite sure what I believe about the days of Genesis. I have seen many arguments for the old earth perspective that the six days of the creation week are not meant to be literal 24 hour days, but rather long periods of time.

I do find old earth creationism compelling on the surface, but I find some difficulties in reconciling it with Scripture.

For example, Exodus 20:11 seems to reinforce the young earth view that it actually was six literal days.

I feel like if we were not meant to take the Creation Week as six 24 hour days, then I don't think it would have been reiterated in the 10 Commandments.

What are your thoughts?

Creation was meant to be a miracle, a supernatural event performed by God. Like all of God’s miracles they’re not intended to be explainable by science, if they could be then they would cease to be miracles.
 
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Maybe you already addressed this - I got sidetracked. But for example, what requires (scripturally) a creation day to be a constant length? I'm still going back to the Schroeder explanation. It doesn't assume this because it takes into account the expanding universe (he "stretches the heavens"):

The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the15 billion years sequestered with them. For the duration of each day and the details of how that matches with the measured history of the universe and the earth, see The Science of God.

Edit: you did in the very first response, using the genealogies, but man wasn't made until the 6th day, when the days would have levelled out more closely to what they are now.

But the plants were created on the third day. How could they survive with no sunlight for extremely long periods of time?
 
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It actually says firmament which is why I don't rely on modern translations except the New King James version.
Gen 1:6. And God said: let there be a firmament betwene the waters, and let it make a diuision betwene waters and waters. (Bishop’s Bible, 1568)

Gen 1:6. Againe God saide, Let there be a firmament in the middes of the waters: and let it separate the waters from the waters. (Geneva Bible, 1587)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. (KJV, 1611)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (RV, 1881)

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (ASV, 1901)

Gen. 1:6 And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” (RSV, 1952)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Full Definition of FIRMAMENT

1
: the vault or arch of the sky : heavens

2
obsolete : basis

3
: the field or sphere of an interest or activity <the international fashion firmament>

Origin of FIRMAMENT

Middle English, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin firmamentum, from Latin, support, from firmare

Notice especially definition 1: the vault or arch of the sky. In Modern Hebrew, the word רָקִיעַ expresses the concept of the sky as viewed from the earth, especially at night.

6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

6. Then God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.” And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome “the sky.” Evening came, and morning followed-the second day. (NAB)

The NRSV, the NAB, and many other English translations correctly translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ (râqı̂ya‛) as “dome.” The evidence for the correctness of this translation is found in the use of this word in ancient Hebrew literature. Based upon this usage, the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Brown, Driver, and Briggs published by Oxford University gives us the following meaning of it in Gen. 1:6, 7, and 8, “the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it.” (p. 956). John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge (in his commentary on Genesis, page 21) writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11,
 
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Gen 1:6. And God said: let there be a firmament betwene the waters, and let it make a diuision betwene waters and waters. (Bishop’s Bible, 1568)

Gen 1:6. Againe God saide, Let there be a firmament in the middes of the waters: and let it separate the waters from the waters. (Geneva Bible, 1587)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. (KJV, 1611)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (RV, 1881)

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (ASV, 1901)

Gen. 1:6 And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” (RSV, 1952)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Full Definition of FIRMAMENT

1
: the vault or arch of the sky : heavens

2
obsolete : basis
Which existed before the flood.
3
: the field or sphere of an interest or activity <the international fashion firmament>

Origin of FIRMAMENT

Middle English, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin firmamentum, from Latin, support, from firmare

Notice especially definition 1: the vault or arch of the sky. In Modern Hebrew, the word רָקִיעַ expresses the concept of the sky as viewed from the earth, especially at night.

6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

6. Then God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.” And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome “the sky.” Evening came, and morning followed-the second day. (NAB)

The NRSV, the NAB, and many other English translations correctly translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ (râqı̂ya‛) as “dome.” The evidence for the correctness of this translation is found in the use of this word in ancient Hebrew literature. Based upon this usage, the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Brown, Driver, and Briggs published by Oxford University gives us the following meaning of it in Gen. 1:6, 7, and 8, “the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it.” (p. 956). John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge (in his commentary on Genesis, page 21) writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11,
 
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Gen 1:6. And God said: let there be a firmament betwene the waters, and let it make a diuision betwene waters and waters. (Bishop’s Bible, 1568)

Gen 1:6. Againe God saide, Let there be a firmament in the middes of the waters: and let it separate the waters from the waters. (Geneva Bible, 1587)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. (KJV, 1611)

Gen 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (RV, 1881)

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (ASV, 1901)

Gen. 1:6 And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” (RSV, 1952)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Full Definition of FIRMAMENT

1
: the vault or arch of the sky : heavens

2
obsolete : basis

3
: the field or sphere of an interest or activity <the international fashion firmament>

Origin of FIRMAMENT

Middle English, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin firmamentum, from Latin, support, from firmare

Notice especially definition 1: the vault or arch of the sky. In Modern Hebrew, the word רָקִיעַ expresses the concept of the sky as viewed from the earth, especially at night.

6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

6. Then God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.” And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome “the sky.” Evening came, and morning followed-the second day. (NAB)

The NRSV, the NAB, and many other English translations correctly translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ (râqı̂ya‛) as “dome.” The evidence for the correctness of this translation is found in the use of this word in ancient Hebrew literature. Based upon this usage, the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Brown, Driver, and Briggs published by Oxford University gives us the following meaning of it in Gen. 1:6, 7, and 8, “the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it.” (p. 956). John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge (in his commentary on Genesis, page 21) writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11,
Which many believe was in place until the flood, which they say explains the long life spans
 
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You should be a politician. You never answer the question
You never see the answer...

To get to the answer, one sometimes must show how not to get an answer. Until then, the answer can not be found.

Here is one example:

Old Earth Creationism
 
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Maybe you already addressed this - I got sidetracked. But for example, what requires (scripturally) a creation day to be a constant length? I'm still going back to the Schroeder explanation. It doesn't assume this because it takes into account the expanding universe (he "stretches the heavens"):

The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the15 billion years sequestered with them. For the duration of each day and the details of how that matches with the measured history of the universe and the earth, see The Science of God.

Edit: you did in the very first response, using the genealogies, but man wasn't made until the 6th day, when the days would have levelled out more closely to what they are now.

There was no sun for the earth to orbit until the forth day... And, the Hebrew states that the sun was not created out from nothing 'bara' on the 4th day. The Hebrew says it was 'made to bear light' (asah) on the forth day.

The first three days operated as the angels had known daylight to be in the prehistoric creation. They partook of this quality of God's as being 'morning stars' and Lucifer the angel of the morning star.

God Himself was being the light of the first three days. No duration was to be determined by the distance of the sun.

There is a lot to learn that would benefit us in understanding our present state we find the world in today.
 
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But the plants were created on the third day. How could they survive with no sunlight for extremely long periods of time?
Because it in Gen 1:11-12, it says, "God saw," that it was good. "God saw."

Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

He was seeing in his omniscience what was to be as it if it were already being. God can do that easily. That is why he can declare us now being righteous.

But for us? We do not get to see the plants God created beginning to 'sprout' until Gen 2:5-6.

"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.
 
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Which many believe was in place until the flood, which they say explains the long life spans
I have never heard of such people. Can you name even one person who believes that a solid dome was at one time over the earth with windows or floodgates in it that God opened during the flood and who says it explains the long life spans?
 
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